Are some people too weak to live?

[JellyBean]

Originally posted by Flubber

So do you just euthanize all the elderly?? It would seem to be the logical extension if you only put the amount of effort into people that you expect to get back. That would be a scary society

But not an unprecedented one. Eskimos, for example, abandoned their elderly in the snow to die when they couldn't keep up.

But a jump straight to that approach would be expecting too much of modern society. So, I just plan on euthanising myself when I reach that point, to set a good example.

Originally posted by Azazel

that's that stupid 'deaf culture' argument. Personally, I think people should be persecuted for causing such disabilities upon their children.

Agreed. It's roughly equivalent to refusing medical attention for a child on the basis that blood transfusions are sacreligious.

[Ben Kenobi]

But not an unprecedented one. Eskimos, for example, abandoned their elderly in the snow to die when they couldn't keep up.

The proper term is Inuit.

Secondly, they only did so because of the extreme living conditions. Can we say the same in our comfortable chairs, and insulated buildings?

[JellyBean]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
The proper term is Inuit.

Inuit is a term for some groups of north american eskimos. Eskimo is a valid and more general term.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Secondly, they only did so because of the extreme living conditions. Can we say the same in our comfortable chairs, and insulated buildings?

They did so because supporting their elderly would have required a large proportion of their excess resources as a society. Those excess resources were minimal compared to those available in more temperate climates, so you're right - the practice was a result of the extreme living conditions.

However, it can also work the other way. As more means become available of caring for the elderly - an arsenal of drugs, an army of doctors and nurses to administer them - eventually the effort involved will tax even the profligate resources of our society.

[mrmitchell]

Jellybean, are you proposing we live like uneducated barbarians?

[JellyBean]

When those uneducated barbarians have some worthwhile ideas, I do propose that we assimilate those aspects of their lifestyle into ours.

For example, if aborigines ate kangaroo and found it tasty, I'm all in favour of tucking into this cheap and nutritious meat. On the other hand, I do not advocate dancing around with sticks to make the rain come, since it doesn't seem to work.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Thrawn05
Let's see I have:

A messed up lung from surgery have it collasped (IE: PAIN)
A right lung that's heading the same way (PAIN)
Three hurneated discs (PAIN)
Due to the pain I barely move, and muscles are contracted from lack of use (PAIN)

I also have allergies to anything that grows outside basicly and have SinuSides.

Oh and ADD.

FUN!

I like how you almost forgot to add ADD.

[mrmitchell]

When those uneducated barbarians have some worthwhile ideas,

Yeah, but leaving people to die isn't exactly a "worthwhile idea".

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Why do so many have allergies and asthma these days. Back when I was a young-un, way back in the 60s, I knew one kid who had asthma. Now it seems like half the kids get it.

Pollution. Modified foods. Chemical flavour enhancers. Are we creating a world that we're allergic to?

Actually there seems to be some correlation to kids that live in extremely clean environments. (IMO allergies are like cancers, a related group of diseases that share some characteristics but which are caused by a wide variety of things.) When I was a kid it always seemed that it was the kid with the antiseptic type A mom who had allergies. Those of us with little to no parenting never seemed to have any problems as we waded into swamps and had mud fights etc. I believe the theory about the extremely clean environment posits that a lack of expected (by the body) exposure to germs, dust, dirt, pollen etc. causes the bodies immune system to kick itself up a notch. Allergies are simply immune hyper-responses IIRC.

[Verto]

Let's cut this welfare business and use the state militia to thin out the homeless population.

And I hate those trailer parks all over the place; get rid of em. They upset the view from my kitchen nook.

[mrmitchell]

Yes Sikander.

But is the antiseptic mom caused by the allergies, or the allergies caused by the antiseptic mom?

(I think the latter. But I'm just raising a question.)

[JellyBean]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
Yeah, but leaving people to die isn't exactly a "worthwhile idea".

It was for them, and it is for us, under some circumstances.

[mrmitchell]

It was for them, and it is for us, under some circumstances.

Ah yes. It's alright to murder, as long as you have some circumstances met!

EDIT: Added in the rolleyes and figured that some sick loon out there isn't fazed yet. So I remind you that society is dynamic, and today the circumstance might be "they're old"...but, tomorrow it might be "they're black" or "they're buddhist" or something.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by JellyBean
When those uneducated barbarians have some worthwhile ideas, I do propose that we assimilate those aspects of their lifestyle into ours.

[JellyBean]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
Ah yes. It's alright to murder, as long as you have some circumstances met!

Yay, you get it!

Originally posted by mrmitchell

Oh, you don't.

Basically, I'm advocating a morality which states that whatever is best for society is 'good'. If I'm too old/ill/stupid to make a net contribution to society, then the cessation of my existence is 'good'.

No more posts from me for a while - gotta go to the gym.

[MrFun]

Congratulations Jellybean -- you are now officially quoted!!