Video of Today's suicide bombing - Jan 29th

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Agathon

It's amazing how you people are still in denial. YOU are in the wrong. YOU are the occupiers. YOU are the racists. And you want to play the victim.

So - just what the f* exactly are YOU doing in (and giving credibility to) occupied North America?

[Spiffor]

BTW, when it comes to those people who say "Israelis are much better because they don't target Civilians", I wonder if they had found 29/01's attack "legitimate" if an Israeli soldier was riding the bus.

After all, the Palestinian would have been after a "legitimate" target, and the rest would have been merely "colateral damage" that happens

(this troll meant: don't kill babies when they are in the way of a legitimate target)

[Ned]

Originally posted by Agathon

I feel sorry for the victims, but that doesn't extend to endorsing that fat Nazi Sharon. I only wish the bombers had got him instead.

The only Nazi's I have seen on these boards are you, Che, and some other communist b*astards. Communism today litterally reeks of Jew hatred.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Agathon




It's amazing how you people are still in denial. YOU are in the wrong. YOU are the occupiers. YOU are the racists. And you want to play the victim.

Excuse me if I barf. The Jewish people, of all, should know better. And some of them do - unfortunately the lunatics are running things.

Racist!

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by GePap
To me this conflict is more than 3 years old, it is fifty years old, and I view it in its totality. And in those fifty years, if we take Israeli vs Palestinians, it has been the Palestinians who have lost more, not only land and freedoms but people as well. In the last 3 years about 940 Palestinians civilians and about 750-800 Israeli civilians have died. These last 3 years are the only time in the conflict between the two were the number of israeli dead civilians has been anywhere near those of Palestinians: in all years prior, the number of dead palestinians civlians was far and beyond those of Israelis: true for the first intifadah, true for the 80's and the late 70's (for example, it is estimated 2000 Palestians, mostly Civilians, died in the Israeli incursions into Lebanon in March 1978).

READ THE THREAD. Israel may kill more Palestinian civilians, but both a) the ratio of civilians dead to combatants dead and b) the ratio of civilians killed to the number of civilians that COULD have been killed were higher for the Palestinians. Your logic could be used to say, for instance, that Americans are less wealthy than (insert name of tiny, impoverished nation here) because there are "more poor people in America"

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Spiffor
BTW, when it comes to those people who say "Israelis are much better because they don't target Civilians", I wonder if they had found 29/01's attack "legitimate" if an Israeli soldier was riding the bus.

After all, the Palestinian would have been after a "legitimate" target, and the rest would have been merely "colateral damage" that happens

(this troll meant: don't kill babies when they are in the way of a legitimate target)

You are missing the point - Israelis both a) are targetting SPECIFICALLY legitimate targets (in the case of one soldier on a bus, I would doubt that the soldier was the target) and b) at least making some effort to avoid needlessly killing civilians.

[Eli]

It's amazing how you people are still in denial. YOU are in the wrong. YOU are the occupiers. YOU are the racists. And you want to play the victim.

Spoken like a true fanatic.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Eli

It's amazing how you people are still in denial. YOU are in the wrong. YOU are the occupiers. YOU are the racists. And you want to play the victim.

Spoken like a true fanatic.

I'm not the fanatic here. I am not the one denying the obvious truth. Israel is in violation of the Fourth Geneva convention and has been for over 30 years. Israel is also in violation of at least two UN security resolutions - not that they care - scum.

Israel is the country that treats its Arab minority like **** and only pushed for peace in the first place so that Israel would maintain a favoured ethnic mix - racist scum.

Israel is the country that has engaged in a strategy of undermining moderate Palestinian attempts to deal with Hamas and IJ - and they expect us to believe that Yasser Arafat can exercise power when they cut him off in a room with no electricity.

The emperor has no clothes. Every civilized country with a free press (i.e everywhere but the US) knows what is going on. Your government are scum and so are those who support them.

[Eli]

I'm not the fanatic here. I am not the one denying the obvious truth.

You claim that an obvious truth exists and endorse attacks on civilians in the name of that truth, just like Kach and Al Quaeda. You are the fanatic here.

[GePap]

Originally posted by skywalker


READ THE THREAD. Israel may kill more Palestinian civilians, but both a) the ratio of civilians dead to combatants dead and b) the ratio of civilians killed to the number of civilians that COULD have been killed were higher for the Palestinians. Your logic could be used to say, for instance, that Americans are less wealthy than (insert name of tiny, impoverished nation here) because there are "more poor people in America"

This came up elsewhere. Yes, I read the thread: Another fact-given that the palestinian population we are talking about is smaller than the Israeli population (since Palestinians outside the territories are not counted), given that more Palestinian civilians have died than Israeli civlians it means the Israelis hav killed a larger portion of the Palestinian population than the Palestinians of the Israeli population- what does that tell you?

As far saying : "The Israelis could have killed mroe Palestinian civlians but didn;t", that is a moronic arguements: in essence you would be saying "The Pals are war criminals! and see, the Israelis could be even worse war criminals than the Pals have been, but they haven't done it, so there!". Well, one crime does not excuse the other, so to argue that it makes Israelis morally superior for not being worse is a damned idiotic arguement.

And you of course failed to answer the basic point: for all the press, this is one of this century's low intensity conflicts: the number of dead is not particualrly impressive, nor are any attacks on Israelis or palestinians record breaking.It is a safe bet to say that at most 1 or 2 of the top ten suicide attacks in terms of killed have being directed at Israelis, and certainly not near the top of that list. And the US and Russia ave caused far more "coolateral damage".

So to base ones opinions on the validity of the case of each side on body counts, or pictures of the dead is inane. Such arguements would be inane for far bloodiers conflicts as well.

[Generalissimo]

Originally posted by Agathon


I'm not the fanatic here. I am not the one denying the obvious truth. Israel is in violation of the Fourth Geneva convention and has been for over 30 years. Israel is also in violation of at least two UN security resolutions - not that they care - scum.

Israel is the country that treats its Arab minority like **** and only pushed for peace in the first place so that Israel would maintain a favoured ethnic mix - racist scum.

who support them.

Welcome to the Middle East.
Arsehole.

EDIT:There bunch of other countries in the mid-east whose violating the 4th Geneva convention and probabaly some UN security resolutions(Syria is the first to come in mind).
Second,its well known fact through out the Mid-East that isreali pals have the best standarts of living among palestinians and other middle class arabs people.

You attack israel mainly becasue it perfectly fits your idealogy.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
The only Nazi's I have seen on these boards are you, Che, and some other communist b*astards. Communism today litterally reeks of Jew hatred.

Brother Ned, you should work for Big Brother's Ministry of Information!

[Zylka]

Ahh, pogrom lingers

Ag - care to respond at all? Why are you living in an occupied "Canada"?

[Az]

I'll start my participation in this great thread by giving Generalissimo a dictionary, and giving Agathon some tissue to wipe that foam.

I think the first thing that people must know about the conflict is that it is NOT about race. I mean, I don't think that Agathon could spot an arab person in Israel. The jews and the arabs both come in different colours. It is, however, very much about stuff like culture, nationality, pride, etc. From my observation, the biggest racism in the middle east is actually targetting the far east. And this includes both Israel, and the muslim world. There ARE cases of racism, sure, but, generally, they don't target the other side of the conflict. It would be really stupid if it were so, considering the fact that the people here vary in colour shape, form and whatever.

for example, this gallery:

http://carnoe.aaahosting.net/Palestine/pictures/kids/palestinekids.htm

I am sorry, I am not sure which race am I supposed to hate.

[Whaleboy]

Agathon is fast becoming my idol! I just need to work on him with relativism *Whaleboy starts plotting*.

And I can say this as a Jew and get away with it!

Yay to herecy!!