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**Ogie Oglethorpe** · January 30, 2004, 16:20

Sigh

**Guynemer** · January 30, 2004, 16:21

"...and that's when I said, 'I am not dating girls named after states again!'"

**GePap** · January 30, 2004, 17:02

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So why do students need to learn about evolution in order to become 'full rounded citizens?' I would think things like civics, should become that much more important given your criteria.

Amazingly, the schools could teach BOTH. Sorry Ben, but you have yet to come up with any valid concerns, except besides religious ones , and since this is public school, such concerns are at best tertiary.

**Jaguar** · January 30, 2004, 18:35

Originally posted by Guynemer
"...and that's when I said, 'I am not dating girls named after states again!'"

Dopey dopey Georgia.

**Theben** · January 30, 2004, 18:49

In the interest of fairness, Georgia should allow for secular sermons and workshops in the sciences in churches across Georgia. I'm sure Ben could agree to that.

**Ben Kenobi** · January 30, 2004, 18:49

To understand what it means to be human, in the 21st century.

So why does it make a difference to men whether they are created by God or evolved from monkeys?

Keep your babble the hell out of our kids schools, and we'll keep our monkeys out of your temple.

Difference between the two cases. Christians have to pay for public schools, you do not have to pay for churches.

**GePap** · January 30, 2004, 18:51

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Difference between the two cases. Christians have to pay for public schools, you do not have to pay for churches.

We allow churches not to pay taxes.

**Ben Kenobi** · January 30, 2004, 18:51

Sorry Ben, but you have yet to come up with any valid concerns, except besides religious ones , and since this is public school, such concerns are at best tertiary.

Dodge.

Please answer the question Gepap. Why do students need to learn evolution to become 'full rounded citizens?'

**Ben Kenobi** · January 30, 2004, 18:53

We allow churches not to pay taxes.

Explain to me how they place a burden on society. They do many good works, that would otherwise need to be paid for by taxes.

**GePap** · January 30, 2004, 18:57

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Explain to me how they place a burden on society. They do many good works, that would otherwise need to be paid for by taxes.

Why shouldn't they? They benefit from government services, do they not? Or we could except the fire department from saving burning churches?

I have no problem with keeping the tax free status of churches, but the fact a citizen who defines himself as a christian must pays taxes mean **** with regards to the teaching of science being undermined by people with little grasp of science due to their personal beliefs.

Its BIOLOGY CLASS. Thus, teach what science today tells us about BIOLOGY, and a big part opf that is evolution. Fundies will simply have to deal with it, o rpull thier kids out of school and teach them themselves.

**GePap** · January 30, 2004, 19:00

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Please answer the question Gepap. Why do students need to learn evolution to become 'full rounded citizens?'

Because science literacy is increasingly important in the modern world, and environmental issues do matter, and part of being able to understand such issues means understanding modern biology. Ditto with many sociological issues, anthropological issues.

In general, if the question is, what sort of sciences people should learn, it is more important that the general public learn biology and evolution than physics. But we are not going to cut physics education form schools either.

**Ben Kenobi** · January 30, 2004, 19:24

christian must pays taxes mean **** with regards to the teaching of science being undermined by people with little grasp of science due to their personal beliefs.

It means Christians get to have a say on what they want taught to their children, what they are paying for. Either you exempt them from school taxes, or you allow them a say.

Its BIOLOGY CLASS. Thus, teach what science today tells us about BIOLOGY, and a big part opf that is evolution. Fundies will simply have to deal with it, o rpull thier kids out of school and teach them themselves.

How will this rewording significantly alter the Biology program in high school?

it is more important that the general public learn biology and evolution than physics

Why? Physics underlies everything in the world.

**GePap** · January 30, 2004, 19:36

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

It means Christians get to have a say on what they want taught to their children, what they are paying for. Either you exempt them from school taxes, or you allow them a say.

Actually, no. By your reasoning racist and aethist have a say in what should be taught in schools as well, so obviously kids should be told there i no god, and black people are inferior becuase "some" people agree with it. Only some Christians think like you- Carter is a rgeat example of a church going american who thinks this stance is idiotic. In the end, education is about that, teahcing. If Christians can;t compete in the world of ideas with evolution, that is the problem of your ideas.

How will this rewording significantly alter the Biology program in high school?

Did you read 1984? How would rewording the Bible to change all references to God to "non-corporeal entity" change a thing in terms of teahcing kids the bible? Answer, the same way.

Why? Physics underlies everything in the world.

Who says? The same people who say evolution underlies the biological part of the world we live in? So how can you follow one set of what they say and ignore the other? That is hypocrasy.

Again, science class is for teahcing science. Science says evolution is how things happen. If you have a problem, end science classes.

**Spiffor** · January 30, 2004, 20:09

Religious ignoramusses should be allowed not to get any education if their parents want to.

This way, we can hope many more religious people will be illiterate and won't be able to understand and influence government

**Ben Kenobi** · January 30, 2004, 20:17

Carter is a rgeat example of a church going american who thinks this stance is idiotic. In the end, education is about that, teahcing. If Christians can;t compete in the world of ideas with evolution, that is the problem of your ideas.

Why is this about a competition between Christian ideas, and evolution? I just don't think High School does a good job of teaching evolution, period.

Did you read 1984? How would rewording the Bible to change all references to God to "non-corporeal entity" change a thing in terms of teahcing kids the bible? Answer, the same way.

Yeah, I read 1984.

"he who controls the present, controls the past,
he who controls the past, controls the future."

Changes in nature, is precisely what evidence they have for evolution. So why not teach the changes, and avoid all this political stuff? Why not say that this is a theory, one explanation for these changes?

The same people who say evolution underlies the biological part of the world we live in?

Does it in the same way that the laws of physics operate on the universe?

Again, science class is for teahcing science. Science says evolution is how things happen. If you have a problem, end science classes.

Science also does not ignore evidence when it suggests problems with the current theories.

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