The Devil went down to Georgia and

[Neutrino]

Morey, D.F. 1994. The early evolution of the domestic dog. American Scientist 82: 336-347

Cody, M., and J. Overton. 1996. Short-term evolution of reduced dispersal in island plant populations. Journal of Ecology 84: 53-61

Buss, D.M. 1998. Sexual strategies theory: Historical origins and current status. The Journal of Sex Research 35: 19-31

S. Freeman & J.C. Herron, Evolutionary Analysis (3rd edition), Prentice Hall, Upper Saddle River, NJ, 2004

Stearns, S. C., and D. Ebert. 2001. Evolution in health and disease: work in progress. Quarterly Review of Biology 76: 417-431

Mallet, J. 2001. The speciation revolution - Commentary. Journal of Evolutionary Biology 14:887-888

Harvey, P. H., and A. Purvis. 1991. Comparative methods for explaining adaptations. Nature 351:619-624

Hardison, R. 1999. The evolution of hemoglobin. American Scientist 87:126-137

Carroll, S. B. 2000. Endless forms: the evolution of gene regulation and morphological diversity. Cell 101:577-580

Benton, M. J., and R. J. Twitchett. 2003. How to kill (almost) all life: the end-Permian extinction event. Trends in Ecology & Evolution 18:358-365

There are also Gould's paper on punctuated equilibria, various responses to that paper, Hamilton's paper on kin selection and relatedness asymmetry - which is somewhat related to speciation/macroevo.

Hmm.. also look up Kimura's theory of neutral [molecular] evolution.

[Ben Kenobi]

There are also Gould's paper on punctuated equilibria,

I've read his accounts, and some of the counter-arguments. It seems to me a desperate attempt to smooth over some of the problems.

I think the biggest problem is the timeline. If evolution happens so slowly, yet can happen rapidly, why haven't, statistically, we observed any changes from macroevolution? Humans are radically altering the environment.

also look up Kimura's theory of neutral [molecular] evolution.

Have not heard of the theory.

[Neutrino]

If evolution happens so slowly, yet can happen rapidly, why haven't, statistically, we observed any changes from macroevolution? Humans are radically altering the environment.

Humans are altering the environment faster than most other species can cope with, causing extinctions. There are periods of rapid change as recorded in soil/rock layers that correspond to a time of rapid change. PE is certainly plausible, but the chances of it happening are only during prolonged exposure to a gradual change in environment.

I can't recommend any papers on phylogenetic analysis yet, maybe later this semester

[mrmitchell]

You have a microwave. It beeps! You open it and there's nachos inside. covered with delicious gooey melted cheese.

An evolutionist would say someone put chips with cheese on top of them in the microwave, and turned it on. A creationist would say that the nachos were sent by God straight from Heaven.

EDIT: MACROEVOLUTION AND MICROEVOLUTION

Beep! You open the microwave. There's nachos covered with the same delicious melted cheese. But it's not completely melted. You figure that someone put them in beforehand.

You put them back in for some more seconds. Beep! Now they're completely melted. The cheese just microevolved from 90% melted to 100% melted. But a leap as large as not melted at all to 90% melted, you had to infer, becuase you weren't around back then.

final edit: This is ONLY AN ANALOGY. You CANNOT quote me as thinking that animals melt or anything like that. Or you can, but I'll deny it and everyone who looks at the OP will point and laugh at you.

[Ben Kenobi]

A creationist would say that the nachos were sent by God straight from Heaven.

How does the cheese get on top of the Nachos? Someone has to put the cheese on top. Doesn't just hop on there, and there are no attractive forces between cheese and nachos.

How is it any different to the nacho to say that God put the cheese on top, or that a man did?

[mrmitchell]

It was just a ****ty analogy...and besides, Ben, I was hungry.

[Q Classic]

cathy cox is a loon.
she's from south georgia, and i think she lives in cobb county.

you know, the one that was happy that the olympic torch route didn't go through them because one of the runners would have been gay.

[Evil Knevil]

Evolution is such a straightforward and fundamental part of Biology that it should be taught at High School, not when the Student moves to college like Kenobi suggests. I don't think any other modern country would leave it so late.

Yeah also, do those lovely Fundies affect the other subjects that might touch on Creationism? Like Geology, History and some Physics?

[DarkCloud]

my gosh. This and George Bush's idiotic constitutional amendment to the "BILL OF RIGHTS" really put a disgusting tone on the intelligence of americans in general

Frankly, all that I see coming out of his government nowadays are the following:
"Please don't teach us tolerance."
"Please don't teach us things that contradict our sky-god religions"

"Please let us be bigots and hate people just because they aren't as 'free' as us... because they're german or french"


(Although I have some problems with germany and france's regimes, the majority of americans have no real reason for their problems, they're just following bush and have no real opinions )

My gosh, as was said earlier in this thread, it's getting harder and harder to find intelligent conservatives!

[flipside]

As I regularly get beaten up for.
So you Ecuadorian's lived by the island for millions of years and it took an Englishman to discover it.

https://www.vivecuador.com

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


I've read his accounts, and some of the counter-arguments. It seems to me a desperate attempt to smooth over some of the problems.

Hmmm, sort of like positing a god who builds everything in 6 days. (And I don't think He even bothered to build it to code ...)

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben, I was hungry.

Still, I had fun talking about attractive forces between cheese and nachos.

[Dis]

I thought we were done with all this bull****. I hate americans sometimes

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Evil Knevil
Yeah also, do those lovely Fundies affect the other subjects that might touch on Creationism? Like Geology, History and some Physics?

You are assuming that fundies are literate and aren't just still mulling about in a big herd movement that started in the 1930s or whatever.

[Ben Kenobi]

You are assuming that fundies are literate

So I don't count as a Fundy? That's nice to know.