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Why should rape have a higher punishment than murder? I'd certainly rather be raped than killed.
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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agreed.Originally posted by Ramo
Why should rape have a higher punishment than murder? I'd certainly rather be raped than killed.Comment
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It isn't tried all that often. Our prisons are just about the farthest thing from rehabilitation there is. The Euros, for instance, are much more successful at attacking crime through a far less brutal justice system. I'd say that vindictive "justice" is a miserable failure.rehabilitation is a miserable failure. Ask your texas counsel, lefty.
Why is ironic? What's the character of this reform school? What sort of things does it emphasize (say, psychological counseling or harsh discipline)? How long has he been attending?And dude, the irony is you are advoacting reform and he was going to reform school!!!!"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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The kid is 15. Why do you think he can never be rehabilitated?
Because the act is so heinous, I don't think the kid can be rehabilited. He should know right from wrong by now.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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That he obviously has major psychological problems doesn't mean that he can't be rehabilitated."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I don't think he can be rehabilitated. But I do think that there is a chance, he will change his ways. Won't have anything to do with reform or rehabilitation or interventions.
As far as the crime, I don't think death would be a fit penalty. He should face a harsh penalty for hwat he did. But not death.Comment
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Maybe they just have less heinous criminals there. It's a multivariable function. Can't take a difference and assume it was a partial.Originally posted by Ramo
It isn't tried all that often. Our prisons are just about the farthest thing from rehabilitation there is. The Euros, for instance, are much more successful at attacking crime through a far less brutal justice system. I'd say that vindictive "justice" is a miserable failure.
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Compassion changes people far more easily than violence."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Compassion changes people far more easily than violence.
Only if they are willing to accepting that compassion.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Maybe. but the issue is do people change? you've shifted from efficacy in general to preferred methods.Comment
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There is one option we've over looked although I'm a bit loath to suggest it on a site with the male to female ratio of this site but what about castration? Would this not be an option so that he wouldn't committ violent sex crimes again. If he's done it once would he not do it again? He obviously doesn't have any regard for the issue of rape if he can perpitrate it on his mother.Welcome to earth, my name is Tia and I'll be your tour guide for this trip.
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Dragons? Yup- big flying lizards with an attitude. ~ Laz
You are forgiven because you are FABULOUS ~ ImranComment
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That would be cruel and unusual punishment."I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer
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As opposed to raping your mother
Yeah ok.....Welcome to earth, my name is Tia and I'll be your tour guide for this trip.
Succulent and Bejeweled Mother Goddess, who is always moisturised yet never greasy, always patient yet never suffers fools~Starchild
Dragons? Yup- big flying lizards with an attitude. ~ Laz
You are forgiven because you are FABULOUS ~ ImranComment
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As opposed to raping your mother
Raping your mother was not punishment for anything. It was a crime.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Was responding to GP's idea that if he's going to change, it wasn't going to be from an attempt at rehabilition.Only if they are willing to accepting that compassion.
Well, do you know of a good model for a society's crime rate? I don't think it's a coincidence that places with high levels of incarceration also have high levels of violent crime. If being "tough on crime" is supposed to decrease it, I don't see any evidence to that effect. I'd also argue that most of other reasons why places like the US have such a high violent crime rate (such as poverty and drug prohibition) are endemic of this ideology that it's better to deal with people through violence than compassion.Maybe they just have less heinous criminals there. It's a multivariable function. Can't take a difference and assume it was a partial."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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