boy, 15, rapes his mother

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
What he did was bad. That doesn't nessecitate trying to do something cruel to him.

How would it be cruel?

[TCO]

IOW, yes.

[TCO]

By the way, can I ask questions like,

"Are you satisfied with all the damage that your soft on crime attitide does? Are you happy that criminals (including the m-f that car-jacked me) get that trickle-down message that they are oppressed by society?"

You and I can probably have some useful discussion about whether it is moral to steal a loaf of bread for a starving baby. For a simple-minded criminal (and there are lots of them) and "eye for an eye" is a better ethic to promulgate.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kull
I can just see this conversation when he gets back to juvie hall:

Inmate: "You motherf**cker!"
Kid: "Yes....and your point is?"

[Ramo]

"methodology" is not the right term here. Also, you continue to try to put in loaded emotional terms. I let you get away with it before with "revenge".

Just trying to get a rational justification for a presumably harsh punishment from you ("he deserves it" ain't good enough).

You and I can probably have some useful discussion about whether it is moral to steal a loaf of bread for a starving baby. For a simple-minded criminal (and there are lots of them) and "eye for an eye" is a better ethic to promulgate.

Do you honestly think that this kid was thinking deeply about legal consequences before raping his mother? Most violent crime is spontaneous, and if the perps are thinking about legal consequences, they don't think they're going to get caught. An eye for an eye only leaves criminals even more dangerous when leave prison with the system seen as naturally vindictive (it always has interested me that if a man kills another man out of revenge he's killed by the state, while if the state kills a man out of revenge, it's to be praised).

[Imran Siddiqui]

Is there any particular methodology to your desire to punish, or is it just a base, retributive urge?

Well of course, it's a moral view of punishments (dammit, forget the technical term... Crim Law book is at home). You earn punishments by breaking the law because you commit a moral wrong and thus have to pay it back. Something like that.

And yes, it IS good enough to say 'he deserves it'.

[Ramo]

That's like saying revenge is fundamentally moral. That's an odd position to take.

[Imran Siddiqui]

That's like saying revenge is fundamentally moral. That's an odd position to take.

Why? I don't see why revenge is immoral in way, shape, or form.

[curtsibling]

There is only one answer to dealing with a rapist/monster.

Dr Curt prescribes a few lead injections from this.

[MrFun]

I oppose the death penalty -- even in this case.

[Ramo]

Why? I don't see why revenge is immoral in way, shape, or form.

I see it as immoral because the use of revenge in social interactions decreases net freedom. Extreme violence isn't going to stop with more extreme violence. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, and all that spiel.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I see it as immoral because the use of revenge in social interactions decreases net freedom.

So? So do social security security programs, but you won't find many saying those are immoral.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

We could shoot him and charge the family for the bullet as the Chinese government does.

Wait, you mean charge the victim? (remember who he raped...)

Wow Imran, so much compassion for this woman.

[GePap]

And while we are on the theme of the victim..maybe this womna does not want her son killed:

sorry mam, he raped you, we think he is hopeless, so we will kill your son. Have a nice day.

[Ramo]

So? So do social security security programs, but you won't find many saying those are immoral.

They usually don't. If old people have no pensions, and have to live off the streets, have to starve, they're not in the least free. Young people generally won't become homeless and starve because of payroll taxes. So, SS is a net increase in freedom.