Are the left anti-democracy?

[Spiffor]

Many conservatives or even reactionaries hate America though.

Admittedly, you'll find most of them in non-democratic countries, like this wonderful place called Iran...

[Solly]

"Many conservatives or even reactionaries hate America though.

Admittedly, you'll find most of them in non-democratic countries, like this wonderful place called Iran..."

Backward countries and backward individuals dislike America alike.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
It seems the best definition of left-wing right now is America-hating. And that's true if you live there or not (ie, MrFun, chegitz, Paiktis).

Fvck you for being so arrogantly presumptuous to label us as American-haters, when that is so not the case.

[chequita guevara]

That's funny coming from someone who used to regularly start anti-USA threads.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
It seems the best definition of left-wing right now is America-hating. And that's true if you live there or not (ie, MrFun, chegitz, Paiktis).

Pretty weak troll there, Spinkie. Try harder next time.

MrFun, we're not critizing religion on b/c of historical actions, but b/c of today's religious leaders (Fallwell, Graham, Phillip, etc.) as well as the Right's attempt as re-introducing it into politics.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
They are not likely to want to deny these things, but they are tired of being blamed for things that happened hundreds of years ago.

Are you really that dumb? I suggest you reread my post.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
That's funny coming from someone who used to regularly start anti-USA threads.

PA used to start anti-USA threads?

[rev]

Park: Bush != America. US Government != America.

Disliking -- even hating -- a particular aspect of America doesn't mean one hates the entire thing. For every one thing I hate about this country, I can think of ten things I love about it, and I'm sure most fellow liberals (and conservatives!) feel the same way.

Did you like the last Bad Religion album? No? YOU MUST HATE BAD RELIGION! Did you like Bill Clinton? THEN YOU MUST HATE AMERICA!

Just because someone holds a different opinion than you doesn't mean they don't hold the same affection for their homeland. To think otherwise is to lay yourself at the grave of Preschool Logic, and everyone else sees right through it.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
PA used to start anti-USA threads?

Frequently. Even immediately after 9/11.

[MrFun]

Wow -- oh, and I reread your post.

[Whaleboy]

Is it because they are left wingers or Dems giving into mob mentality, and are great whinners?

I can't speak for Americans but at all the protests I've been on, all the people I've spoken to had a good understanding of the issues in question and a strong sense of their own views. And I can normally tell sheep from shepherds pretty well.

I think otherwise.

Why? If we are to succumb to common sense ("Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen" - Einstein), in all its subjectively short sighted glory, then you will become conservative PA style, or neocon. Not even all moral absolutists are that bad!

Most lefty Brits I could see here were not willing to trust the people to govern. I suppose elitism is especially strong among the British educated class.

Damn straight, in this culture of anti-intellectualism and a tinderbox of potential witch hunts, I take enormous pride in myself and admiration of others that break free of that, the constant abuse that I personally have received from the age of 4 to now, to become someone capable and willing of thoughts beyond the simple material concerns of my life. I consider the "educated classes" as a whole more capable than the "working classes" at government, economics and the understanding required to run a nation. It so happens that there are a higher frequency of liberals among the intellectual groups. I do not believe a lay person should have more say than someone familiar with the issues in question. Its a contextual thing. Who would you rather defend you in court... a lay bricklayer or a highly skilled lawyer? Thats not to say one is more intelligent than another, its to say that one has relevant skills. A philosopher would make a lame plumber, and I dare say both are equally needed for a good civilisation.

It seems the best definition of left-wing right now is America-hating. And that's true if you live there or not (ie, MrFun, chegitz, Paiktis).

Someone's doing his best to negate the right to be taken seriously! . I don't hate America. I love the American people, their humour, confidence and hospitality, making us Brits look dur and uninteresting. I don't hate their government though I have concerns with it and intellectual disagreement, I do not hate it. What I do hate is war. PA, you need to stop labeling people with your uninformed and oblique definitions, your emotive arguments that stand like a tower of feathers in the gale of critical analysis and see things from beyond the pale of your own peculiar brand of short sighted North-Western little englander mentality. A word of advice.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
Wow -- oh, and I reread your post.

Do you still thinkit's a condemnation of Christianity or an explanation as to why certain political and religious customs may have developed differently in different areas? BTW, I should note that religious persecution in Europe continues today. Consider that Prince Charles could not marry his true love . . . because she's a Catholic (and now because she's a divorce&eaccute; ).

[MrFun]

No, it was not a condemnation of Christianity.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by MrFun
No, it was not a condemnation of Christianity.

You're so French

[MrFun]

No -- I'm the Lord of Raccoons.