Are the left anti-democracy?

[Ned]

Originally posted by MikeH
Opposing referendum is a fair comment but "opposes initiative" is meaningless.

MikeH, just so you understand, "initiative" is the process whereby the people may place a referendum on the ballot themselves by gathering a prescribed number of votes on petitions.

This process is renown in Kalifornia, and was most recently used to remove an arrogant, lying, cheating and stealing Democrat governor to be replaced by the far-right Austrian known as the Terminator.

[MikeH]

Ah, that's a US thing then, we don't have that here. I absolutely oppose that, what a silly idea!

Yes... KKKalifornia.

[Solly]

Blair kicking Livingstone out of the Labour Party, when it was clear who the public wanted

Ahem, there was another reason, wasn't there.

"You wouldn't let an average man on the street operate on your brain tumour, why let one run your country? "

I'm wondering what exactly your political philosophy is these days Mike..?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
Spiffor. Dem Dums are elitist.

I believe you, and I actually like to describe myself as a "populist in the rightful meaning", i.e. as a person who thinks we should strongly trust the voters and accepts their decisions. For example, as anti-death penalty as I am, I think it should be reestablished if a popular majority wants it in a referendum.

Very much so. They **** back their heads and look down their pointy noses at the common folk and say, "Legislation is too important and complex to be put into the hands of average person."

This is a dirty behaviour that is way too common in politics. Politicians either ignore the "rabble", or manipulate it. Dums are very good at the first, and Repugs have done a great job in the second category this term.

[Ned]

MikeH, you represent the views of the average Democrat in the United States. Government is just too important to be left to the people.

[Stuie]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
But denouncing the decisions of a relative majority when ..... they elect Bush, is what seems left-wingers like to do.

Majority relative to what? Must you be reminded that the popular majority voted for Al Gore???

Candidate (Party Label) Popular Vote Total Percent of Popular Vote

Al Gore (Democrat) 50,999,897 48.38

George W. Bush (Republican) 50,456,002 47.87

Is the Electoral College the "relative majority"?

[MikeH]

1. 80% of people are idiots who care more about football and Big Brother than how whoever runs their country will affect them.

2. Politicians (of all parties) are self serving liars cheats and con men and the only reason any of them ever get elected is because of point 1.

3. In general stuff that fvcks up rich people and helps poor people doesn't make me angry so it's good.

4. Being free to act, look, worship, get high, fornicate, however you want is absolutely fine as long as you aren't hurting someone else physically or mentally.

5. If in doubt about a certain issue argue against whatever Park Avenue thinks because 99.9% of the time I agree with the people he's trying to troll.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Ned
MikeH, you represent the views of the average Democrat in the United States. Government is just too important to be left to the people.

Do they also support increasing and improving state education so that the majority of the population are educated enough to know that voting Republican is silly?

[Drogue]

Originally posted by MikeH
1. 80% of people are idiots who care more about football and Big Brother than how whoever runs their country will affect them.

Originally posted by MikeH
2. Politicians (of all parties) are self serving liars cheats and con men and the only reason any of them ever get elected is because of point 1.

I wouldn't say that. I think if you scrutanise anyone as much as you scrutanise Blair, you'd find everyone tells a few lies. Sure, they all lie, so does everyone. I don't accept they do it more often.

Originally posted by MikeH
4. Being free to act, look, worship, get high, fornicate, however you want is absolutely fine as long as you aren't hurting someone else physically or mentally.

Originally posted by MikeH
5. If in doubt about a certain issue argue against whatever Park Avenue thinks because 99.9% of the time I agree with the people he's trying to troll.

I'd disagree with that. I think most of the time he has a point, even when he's wrong. I can understand where he's coming from, and I don't think he's trying to troll as much as people thing. A lot less than the Sun at least.

[MikeH]

You are maybe right on #2 but mine's a safer assumption.

#5, yes, he does always have a point and he phrases it in an annoying way on purpose. Doesn't change the fact that mostly I disagree with him.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned


Spiffor. Dem Dums are elitist. Very much so. They **** back their heads and look down their pointy noses at the common folk and say, "Legislation is too important and complex to be put into the hands of average person."

You should come to Florida. The Repug controled government (with the Prez' brother in charge) have refused to abide by citizen referrendums, are now planning on overturning them, and are planning to pass restrictions on us so we can't tell them what to do anymore.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by MikeH
#5, yes, he does always have a point and he phrases it in an annoying way on purpose. Doesn't change the fact that mostly I disagree with him.

True

[Ned]

MikeH, I think you now have a clue as to why the Dems oppose initiative and referendum. The people are constantly electing Republicans which only PROVES how stupid they are and how they cannot be trusted with the reigns of government.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


You should come to Florida. The Repug controled government (with the Prez' brother in charge) have refused to abide by citizen referrendums, are now planning on overturning them, and are planning to pass restrictions on us so we can't tell them what to do anymore.

Details. Links.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Ned
MikeH, I think you now have a clue as to why the Dems oppose initiative and referendum. The people are constantly electing Republicans which only PROVES how stupid they are and how they cannot be trusted with the reigns of government.

Yep! And I'm glad you agree that voting Republican is more stupid than voting Democrat.