Are the left anti-democracy?

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
Compare the number of persons who have lived much of their lives under socialist/left totatlitatian states than under right ones. Once you think of the Soviet Union and Communist China, it is not much point in counting further.

All that shows is that extreme left wing dictators have had more success than extreme right wing dictators. Says nothing about the general consensus of opinion among the left, nor it's relation to democracy.

[Ned]

Across the United States, the party that opposes initiative and referendum "religiously" are the Democrats.

'Nuff said.

[MikeH]

Opposing referendum is a fair comment but "opposes initiative" is meaningless.

[Solly]

I am in favour of the headscarf ban. But anyway, I'm not saying your opinions have to follow the crowds.

But denouncing the decisions of a relative majority when they decide for example that Le Pen is the second most-favoured politician, or when they elect Bush, is what seems left-wingers like to do.

[MikeH]

Yeah, when a candidate from the left gets elected the followers of the right wing party say "oh, the people voted for him, we'll get behind them and support the new leader as much as possible and not complain about what they are doing at all."

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
Across the United States, the party that opposes initiative and referendum "religiously" are the Democrats.

That's because the Dums are a center-right elitist party.
Unlike the Repugs, who are far right and are more inclined to find legitimacy in a mob they carefully manipulate

[Solly]

I've never known right-wing politicians to say they will refuse to work with people from the left after they were rightfully elected!

The leader of Burnley borough council, Labour councillor Stuart Caddey, said he would refuse to work with the BNP.

He said: "We will not work with the BNP. I'm quite clear on that."

He added: "It is a disaster. People are waking up this morning asking where this takes us.

"It has happened. Nothing will detract from what I and the Labour council want to deliver here in Burnley."

[MikeH]

True, neither of the main US parties is in any way left wing.

[Solly]

True, neither of the main US parties is in any way left wing.

What about the Democratic wing of the Democratic party?

[MikeH]

If they are democratic they can't be left wing, as you pointed out yourself.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Spiffor

That's because the Dums are a center-right elitist party.
Unlike the Repugs, who are far right and are more inclined to find legitimacy in a mob they carefully manipulate

Spiffor. Dem Dums are elitist. Very much so. They **** back their heads and look down their pointy noses at the common folk and say, "Legislation is too important and complex to be put into the hands of average person."

[MikeH]

Yes. What's wrong with that?

You wouldn't let an average man on the street operate on your brain tumour, why let one run your country?

[Spiffor]

I don't know for Britain, but in France, Le Pen is appreciated by about 25% of people and utterly loathed by the remaining 75%.
Most French right-wingers outright reject to work with Le Pen, and those who do suffer from a very bad reputation among the reight-wing voters.

That must mean right-wing people are fundamentally antidemocratic

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
But denouncing the decisions of a relative majority when they decide for example that Le Pen is the second most-favoured politician, or when they elect Bush, is what seems left-wingers like to do.

Denouncing the decisions is rare, IMHO. I was scared about Le Pen's support, but I wouldn't denounce the people's decision. I would ask why though, and realise that immigration needed to take a higher priority.

And I have seen right wingers refuse to work with left-wingers. Blair kicking Livingstone out of the Labour Party, when it was clear who the public wanted. Declaring you won't work with someone is not a rash act. There are people I wouldn't work with, whether they were elected or not.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by MikeH
Yes. What's wrong with that?

You wouldn't let an average man on the street operate on your brain tumour, why let one run your country?

Well put