Are the left anti-democracy?

[Guynemer]

The answer to that poll will be a resounding "**** no!"

Trust me on this. I've done extensive polling on the matter.

[Solly]

I need to witness it.

[Drake Tungsten]

Nope, MikeH had a thread deleted, that I was trying to bring semi-on topic, and was also the only person to vote against said painful injury

I missed the poll? ****!

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


I think they are just counter-trolling.

I was.

[Spiffor]

Park Avenue:
Please create the thread, I'd gladly vote in it and participate to 'Poly democracy

[Guynemer]

Well, it's 1-0 for "**** no!" as it stands right now. Though I suppose you'd make it 1-1.

[Solly]

"Park Avenue:
Please create the thread, I'd gladly vote in it and participate to 'Poly democracy"

I already have two threads planned for today.

[MikeH]

I would start it but I expect it'll get deleted again.

[Whaleboy]

I'd just like to point out that it's the libertarians who don't believe in democracy, not the liberals.

A good point. It is the libertarians and the pacifists here. to you all! The liberals, in the socialist sense of the word, should be indifferent to democracy, or for it (a little). Needless to say, one can mix and match ideas, so don't think I'm speaking in anything but the most general terms. However, I define liberal as libertarian, look at the words, as opposed to economic definitions that only really fits with marxist/anti marxist, and I'm a non-marxist liberal.

[Whaleboy]

I'm all for making the spink meister infertile

[Ned]

Whaleboy, you are a person whose politics and philosophy are tied to an emotional position, the hatred of war. Being emotionally based, your philosophy cannot be solely based on logic and in the end is illogical.

A democrat is a person who believes that people know best their self interest and can be trusted with the ultimate control of government. This is a logical philosophy that stems from a logical premise.

A person who is wedded to an emotionally based philosophy cannot trust the government to the people because they may vote in a way contrary to the core philosophy. You, Whaleboy, are one of these crippled, illogical people who oppose democracy.

[GePap]

The Left, ie. the Third estate, is certainly pro-democracy. The first and second estates are the ones who have a problem with it.

[Spiffor]

Ned:

Whaleboy has an emotional point of view, which is completely fine, and which makes him similar to any other voter. That doesn't mean he is bound to be illogical, if he thinks he should have no say in how his country and his life gets directed

(I actually agree with you, but the word "illogical" struck me as incorrect)

Gepap:
The third Estate was mostly comprised of bourgeois who simply wanted to down the aristocracy to get to power themselves. True, they were more open to progressive ideas than the other two, but very few of them would qualify as "the left" by today's standard. Worse, the first of modern communists, Gracchus Baboeuf, was beheaded by these nice lefties

[GePap]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Gepap:
The third Estate was mostly comprised of bourgeois who simply wanted to down the aristocracy to get to power themselves. True, they were more open to progressive ideas than the other two, but very few of them would qualify as "the left" by today's standard. Worse, the first of modern communists, Gracchus Baboeuf, was beheaded by these nice lefties

Well, screw today's standards. No better way to mess with the right than to screw up thier language.

[Ned]

Spiffor, a democrat of course would allow even the Whaleboys of the world to vote. It is the Whaleboys who would deny others the right to vote.