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  • #16
    Hm, I don´t like this quote, I just wonder how the relativist can say it´s false ...
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    • #17
      Webster

      "Main Entry: pac·i·fism
      Pronunciation: 'pa-s&-"fi-z&m
      Function: noun
      Etymology: French pacifisme, from pacifique pacific
      Date: 1902
      1 : opposition to war or violence as a means of settling disputes; specifically : refusal to bear arms on moral or religious grounds
      2 : an attitude or policy of nonresistance
      - pac·i·fist /-fist/ noun"

      There are no disputes to a true pacifist that can be solved through violence. There is nothing in their about exceptions. YOU may think that self defense is a good reason to resist, which is fine, but your not a pacifist.

      Pro-Life is by definition, well, Pro-Life. You are opposed to the taking of life in all circumstances. One of the corps precepts of the Pro-Life stance is anti death penelty. Organizations will try and claim that title when they are suportive of just one point on the platform such as abortion, but they are technically wrong in their nomenclature.
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      • #18
        "Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things."

        -Sir Winston Churchill.



        And again.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Patroklos
          There are no disputes to a true pacifist that can be solved through violence. There is nothing in their about exceptions. YOU may think that self defense is a good reason to resist, which is fine, but your not a pacifist.
          Then I suppose I've had major inclinations towards pacificsm.
          I also suppose that most people in this world are not pacifist.
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          • #20
            I would agree. Bur their are some people who will not participate in violence for anything.

            They are also known as cowards.
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            • #21
              While I think those people are probably quite...not intelligent, I would hardly consider them cowards.
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              • #22
                Gandhi was a coward? Or not intelligent?
                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Ramo
                  Gandhi was a coward? Or not intelligent?
                  I did not agree with his stance of total non-violence, so in that respect I do consider him not intelligent.
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                  • #24
                    "I don´t like his POV, so he can´t be intelligent"
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                    • #25
                      I don't agree with Gandhi's moral values (incidentally I have the same problem that Orwell has of him; he's too ascetic - not enough of a humanist), but was certainly a really, really smart guy. Hell, he brought down an empire without firing a gun.
                      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                      • #26
                        "I don´t like his POV, so he can´t be intelligent"
                        I never said he was unintelligent. I just said he was unintelligent in that area.

                        Hell, he brought down an empire without firing a gun.
                        Yes, which was a really good thing (though unfortunately his actions have now resulted in todays India-Pakistan crisis), however I'm just saying I disagree with his stance of total-pacificsm. Though it is better than a bloody, violent revolution. Much better.
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                        • #27
                          though unfortunately his actions have now resulted in todays India-Pakistan crisis
                          He opposed the partition of India...

                          I just said he was unintelligent in that area.
                          His morality is based on a different value system than yours. That doesn't make him stupid.
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                          • #28
                            He opposed the partition of India...
                            Perhaps, however he was unable to stop it. He is the father of Pakistan.

                            That doesn't make him stupid.
                            Yes it does.
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                            • #29
                              It's wrong to call Ghandi and his people cowards

                              The did participate in violence on many many occasions

                              Unfortunatley they were always on the receiving end.

                              Somebody punch you in the face and see how hard it is to not bust the **** out of him

                              Also Martin Luther King used nonviolence very successfully

                              However in the case of the Nazis violence was the only way to kick their azzes
                              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
                                Yes it does.
                                By that logic I could conclude that anyone who doesn´t like my avatar must be stupid....
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