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  • Thanks SpencerH.

    Can the Dems afford a campaign to match what the Bush team will run?
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    • It depends on how ugly this Democratic primary get. I am acctually pretty suprised at the scale os smearing going on considering they all want to depose what they feel is the great Satan, Bush.

      If they burn all their bridges now....
      "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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      • "I really appreciate how he uses his Christianity when it's popular, and puts it aside when it is not. Bush doesn't care what people think about his faith, if they disagree, they just have to deal with it. I would rather he just not try to pander to these votes, it would give me more respect for what Dean believes. Now he's just a weathercock."

        Ben, I see this as the biggest hole in Dean's bucket. Nobody wants another fella who will wait on the polls before acting.

        "Yes you are right Horsie. Most of us are men, and a good number of us are white men. Dean is interested in appealling to Democrats, and only 22% of white men are registered Democrats."

        Real men don't vote democrat...

        Btw, nobody responded to my previous post. Should I take it that it's easier to ignore than debate with?
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        • I dont think the dems'll have quite as much as the repubs but I think thats the normal situation.
          We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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          • Ann Coulter said yesterday that Dean has the nomination and that the media are just hyping the Democrat campaign because there is nothing better to do.

            In truth, Dean does seem to be far ahead at this point. Does anyone else have a real shot at the nomination?
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            • Early leads can still disappear in a puff of smoke. Remember Gary Hart?
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • I just don't think swing voters are going to respond to that without being presented with a set of alternatives. Not going into Iraq is not an alternative for any non-time travelling candidates.


                Yep... Dean needs to read **** Morris' "The New Prince".

                Early leads can still disappear in a puff of smoke. Remember Gary Hart?


                We don't even have to go that far. Phil Gramm was the guy with the money and poll numbers in 1996, until Dole smoked him.
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                • --"It's difficult to choose the lesser of two evils when they are so similar to each other"

                  That's why there are other parties around...

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                  • Originally posted by Patroklos
                    It depends on how ugly this Democratic primary get. I am acctually pretty suprised at the scale os smearing going on considering they all want to depose what they feel is the great Satan, Bush.

                    If they burn all their bridges now....
                    What makes you think they all want to get rid of him?

                    I know two specific inviduals who more than likely don't -- one backed Dean, the other backed Clark
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                    • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                      Early leads can still disappear in a puff of smoke. Remember Gary Hart?
                      But he didn't have the money.

                      No candidate who led in money at this point in the race has failed to get the nomination since 1976. Dean is so far ahead fiscally that I think he's virtually bagged it. Only Clark has a reasonable chance of catching up, and I think it's a longshot.

                      Latest polls show Dean ahead in Iowa now, outpacing Gephardt by several points. He continues to lead strongly in New Hampshire, and Kerry's dropped to third, which spells his death knell.

                      IMO, Dean wins the Iowa caucuses, which stops Gephardt dead. He then goes on to mop up in NH, so Kerry's done. Clark will use his 2nd place finish to pick up strength and will win SC. His winning SC will kill Leiberman and Edwards, as that would be their only hope of staying in the race.

                      But it's over after that, because Dean will win enough of the primaries on Super Tuesday to end all serious contention.
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                      • Here's another scenario, Boris:

                        After the dust settles following SC, the other candidates and power brokers unify behind Clark. It's not enough to prevent Dean from winning most of the delegates, but he's close.

                        Fast forward to the convention, and the superdelegates vote overwhelming in favor of Clark, giving him the edge and the nomination.

                        --Would there be a revolt on the convention floor?
                        --Would Clark ask Dean to be his VP? Would Dean accept?
                        --Would the Democratic party be toast, or would they unify for the sole purpose of beating Bush?
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                        • But it's over after that, because Dean will win enough of the primaries on Super Tuesday to end all serious contention.
                          Gore over Clinton. Interesting...
                          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                          • Why would the other candidates move their support to Clark?

                            He is a Republican, after all.
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                            • I don't have much respect for Dean or Clark, especially Clark. He supported the war and claims he didn't. That makes him likely wrong IMO as well as a liar by any definition. Dean spends way too much time ripping Bush and way too little time delineating his policy proposals. If elected no one is going to care how well he can rip Bush. Of the Dems Lieberman seems to be the class of the field. He's an adult who pretty much says what he beleives and does what he says.




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                              • If foreigners like me like I suspect Dean is dead in the water.

                                I also like General Clarke so that's the end of him.
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                                Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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