What do you think is the baddest ass piece of military hardware?

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Joseph
One year they said 267 million, but can't remember which year it was. And remember the illegal almost never fill out the form or send them in to be counted, because they feel the INS would used the form to find them. We now have between 10 to 20 million illegal. I was watching Lou Dobb on CNN 2 week ago when he was hitting the Illegal very hard.

How would you conscript illegals? Perhaps like the Brittish navy in the 17th century - Go to a bar and pick up the guys who are to drunk to stay awake. Next morning they wake up on a ship at sea, and have no choice.

[lightblue]

I always thought the AC130 was an interesting concept... There's something about sticking a 105mm cannon out of the side of a remodelled Herc that appeals to me.

[el freako]

Originally posted by Joseph
One year they said 267 million, but can't remember which year it was.

That was 1995 (266.8m), 4 years after the fall of the USSR.


Methinks you are clutching at straws, indeed this argument:

Originally posted by Joseph
I trust the America census first, and screw the UN.

Shows that you are unwilling to accept any data that does not support your view - what you mean is that you have made up your mind and the facts mean nothing to you.

By the way the US census said 250.2m in 1990 - so using that you were even furthur behind the USSR

[MrBaggins]

Just out of curiousity, how many of you guys play(ed) Harpoon 2?

[Saras]

I played Janes Fleet Command. IS Harp4 out already? Looks neat.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Saras
I played Janes Fleet Command. IS Harp4 out already? Looks neat.

Last I heard (27 Nov 2003) it had been cancelled.

I was GUTTED... but at least Harpoon 3 Multiplayer is in alpha testing..

[MrBaggins]

Sadly, Harpoon 4 was cancelled in late November

A note from Larry Bond:
Larry Bond and Chris Carlson, the originators of the Harpoon4 wargame, and Don Gilman of Adanced Gaming Systems Inc., also a participant in the Harpoon4 project, are disappointed by Ubisoft's decision to cancel Harpoon4, but respect Ubisoft's judgment, their desire to sell quality games, and their need to make a profit while they do so.

The just-ended project has been underway since 1997, when we signed an agreement with Strategic Simulations International to create a computer adaptation of the Harpoon4 miniatures wargame. Unfortunately, the development effort became hampered by a series of corporate buyouts, each one causing delays and simultaneously reducing the size of the development budget. While each successive publisher has made their best effort, each buyout (and there were four) reduced the chance of a successful product reaching the store shelf.

Our intention is to start a new development effort that will produce a computerized version of Harpoon4 at the earliest opportunity. Ubisoft has graciously offered to transfer the partially-completed code to a third party for further development. We will examine the code to see if that is feasible, and if appropriate, will transfer of the code to a third party. Since the code contains copyrighted material, that third party would have to enter into a contract with the rights holders, just as SSI did six years ago.

And that is only one approach to producing a new Harpoon4 game. Other options include starting development fresh with a new publisher, or upgrading existing programs to H4 standard.

None of these will produce a game quickly, and even choosing which option to follow will take several months.

It is important to acknowledge not only the patience and support of the computer Harpoon community, but also the efforts of the many developers who have worked on the commercial product, and the beta testers who did their best to make it a quality game. They all made substantial contributions to Harpoon, and we will work hard to make sure that they have not labored in vain.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Vince278


I'm not sure about an F-21 but I know there was an F-23. It was the prototype of a plane from another company competing against the F-22 during the bidding process.

Yes Northrop builded the F-23, I have model of it. It looks somewhat like the F-22. It's aft wing is also the tail fin.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Crimson Sunrise
Australia still uses the F-111, y'know. Apparently it's still relevant after almost forty years.

The Air Force wants the F-22, so they are cutting or retiring anything they can so the money can be used on the F-22 and F-35.
Yes the F-111 and the F-4 are today still top aircraft.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Joseph
Yes Northrop builded the F-23, I have model of it. It looks somewhat like the F-22. It's aft wing is also the tail fin.

IIRC, McDonnell Douglas built the YF-23 "Black Widow"

[Joseph]

Originally posted by el freako


That was 1995 (266.8m), 4 years after the fall of the USSR.


Methinks you are clutching at straws, indeed this argument:



Shows that you are unwilling to accept any data that does not support your view - what you mean is that you have made up your mind and the facts mean nothing to you.

By the way the US census said 250.2m in 1990 - so using that you were even furthur behind the USSR

I do not trust the UN at all anymore. At one time I did like the UN but not for the last 20 or so years.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Lonestar


IIRC, McDonnell Douglas built the YF-23 "Black Widow"

Lonestar, Boeing brought out McDonnell Douglas about 5 years ago.
There was two teams.
Teams 1 was Lockheed Martin, Boeing and General Dynamics, F-22

Team 2 was at the time McDonnell Douglas, Northrop, F-23.

Team 1 wins.

McDonnell sells to Boeing within 1 year of losing the F-23.

So now the F-23 is consider a Northrop Aircraft.

In fact there are now only 3 companys left.
Boeing, Lockheed, and Northrop. Can't remember but I believe General Dynamics aircraft is now owned by one of the 3.

[Lonestar]

Is the F-23 in a Boeing warehouse or a Northrup warehouse?

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Is the F-23 in a Boeing warehouse or a Northrup warehouse?

It may still be at Edwards flight testing for furture aircraft.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Joseph
It may still be at Edwards flight testing for furture aircraft.

It is at Edwards, but not flying at the moment.
At first I typed Northrop F-23 and got a good information sheet and then typed McDonnell Douglas and got a difference page and it said the plane is at Edwards.