What do you think is the baddest ass piece of military hardware?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sikander

Serb, so they have finally married the ZSU-23-4 and the SA-9 into one vehicle?

1) Tunguska is a different vehicle equipped by different weapons.
2) Marriage happened at 70s-80s. First Tunguskas appeared in Soviet army in 1982.
3) Shilka was modernized and now can be equiped with SAMs:

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lonestar



Apache Pilot: Alright Boys, ready? Just Hover behind this hill, pop up and shoot it, ready...steady....go!

If your Apache Boys run with tails between their legs from bunch of Iraqis armed with Kalashnikov assualt rifles, they would never aproach a single Tunguska closer than 10 km.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Yep and it would take like our weakest fighter wing under 4 seconds to obliterate those su-30s and helicopters

You have nothing equal to SU-30. You failed to create thrust-vectoring control system for fighters.
SU-30 is the most maneuverable fighter in the world.

[Serb]

Originally posted by GePap

The US wins becuase of its electronic edge and support craft, not becuase US ariframes are any better- in fact, a Su-27 has immense power, and as an aircraft is as good, if not better than an F-15. BUt to win a fight, it is the elctronic package and a trained pilot capable of using it) that wins fights.

Su-27 as an aircraft is better than F-15 or F-16.
The only training fight in history (iirc, in 1996 in USA) between F-15 piloted by American regular pilot vs. Su-27 piloted by Russian regular pilot ended as complete victory for Su-27.
I can check my book to find more details about this fight.

[Drake Tungsten]

I don't know why I even bother with this moron, but here goes...

The F-22 incorporates a pair of new, higher thrust-to-weight engines, the Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100, which is designed for efficient supersonic operation without afterburner (called supercruise), and with increased durability over current engines. Advanced technologies incorporated in the F119 include integrated flight-propulsion controls and two-dimensional, thrust-vectoring engine nozzles, which will give the F-22 unprecedented aircraft maneuverability.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-f119.htm

Now, let's all sit back and see what lies our little Slavic friend can cook up.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I don't know why I even bother with this moron, but here goes...

The F-22 incorporates a pair of new, higher thrust-to-weight engines, the Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100, which is designed for efficient supersonic operation without afterburner (called supercruise), and with increased durability over current engines. Advanced technologies incorporated in the F119 include integrated flight-propulsion controls and two-dimensional, thrust-vectoring engine nozzles, which will give the F-22 unprecedented aircraft maneuverability.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-f119.htm

Now, let's all sit back and see what lies our little Slavic friend can cook up.

Read it again. It says:
which will give the F-22 unprecedented aircraft maneuverability.
In other words: blah...blah...blah...IT WILL BE a best fighter in the world.
Su-30 is already in airforces of Russia, China, India and Malaysia.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Serb


No. Our secret weapon is - Kuz'kina mat'.

Did you just something something bad about my mother?

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Serb

You have nothing equal to SU-30. You failed to create thrust-vectoring control system for fighters.

Wrong. Remember a little Brit design called the Harrier? It had vectorable thrust and was so "inferior" the Russians tried to copy it - and FAILED.

Originally posted by Serb
SU-30 is the most maneuverable fighter in the world.

Which as you know means nothing. The fighter's maneuver factor is only one amongst many; it is important, but so are considerations like a) training of the crew) and b) quality of the weapons.

In those 2 areas, your country still has much to improve upon.

EDIT: My vote in this catergory goes to Chicken Supreme Arctic rations. The aftermath of this is so bad it should be banned under the Chem weapons treaty...

[DeathByTheSword]

of course the best war machine is the aircraft so here we go:

* any plane that can do a stall-recover manauver will kick the JSF and the F-22 in dogfights so that is worth a lot...(only russian planes can do that )

* B-1 and b-2

* f 22 and f/a 18

and best defence system:

* goalkeeper defence system! (kicks phalanx system in my opinion )

[Lord Merciless]

We all know that Russia is gonna build great piece of weapons even if their people are too poor to afford a pair of pants.

[Ecthy]

battleships, anyone?

[Verto]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
battleships, anyone?

Outdated and obsolete. The use of the battleship is waning.

[Ecthy]

but they look cool when firing

I thought this thread was about cool looking military hardware

[Kuciwalker]

Immortals or Sipahi

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
You can't get your human waves to Queensland without boats and they'll all be quickly sent to the bottom in any war.

Lets also not forget the ANZUS pact. An attack on Australia is an attack on the U.S.

Originally posted by BeBro
Is that true? This site http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f22/ says the F22 Raptor is planned to be in service for 2005.

Prototypes exist. I can't say whether any missions were performed. The F117 was new when it was used in Panama.

Originally posted by Serb
If Serbs had a dozen of S-300 you would never atack them.

How about with a dozen cruise missles?

Originally posted by Serb
Iraq had ****loads of western equipment as well, so what?

Mostly French?

Originally posted by Serb
After ten years without proper maintenance this equipment became complete crap.

Long before that.

Originally posted by Serb
No. Our secret weapon is - Kuz'kina mat'.

My Russian has gotten rusty since the 80's. Translate?

Originally posted by Serb
Shkval was created 25 years ago. You still have no idea how it works and have nothing equal.

Saw it on TV a few years ago. So much for no idea.
We probably had the plans just after the Russian Navy did. To my knowledge we have nothing equal but that may be because we recognized the idea had a (ahem) fatal flaw. Guess we're still waiting on the Russians to fully develop the technology.

Originally posted by Serb
Now I get it. So, you belive I have an erection every time I see a picture of American flag and silly doll wearing colours of this flag?

You realize, of course, that your flag has the same colours?

Originally posted by Ted Striker
I got one and her name is


USA! USA! USA!

Originally posted by Serb
Then you need a doctor...
...just admit this- USA sucks, RUSSIA forever!!!

Not a Russian doctor I hope.

I'm sure you realize you were flying a Soviet flag, not Russian flag. (and they say we Americans are ignorant of the difference... )