What do you think is the baddest ass piece of military hardware?

[Ted Striker]

Yep and it would take like our weakest fighter wing under 4 seconds to obliterate those su-30s and helicopters

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Vince278


Already started.

Is that true? This site http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f22/ says the F22 Raptor is planned to be in service for 2005.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Yep and it would take like our weakest fighter wing under 4 seconds to obliterate those su-30s and helicopters

Well, not actually....

The strenght of modern airforces is based primarily in the ability to see and shoot first, in which case radar systems are the most important weapon system in the air.Actual airframes matter somewhat less. A mig 21 with a top notch radar system attached and with the support of some AWAS type aircraft would easily shoot down a F-15 with a poor quality radar and no AWACS support, simply becuase the one pilot saw the enemy first, fired a missile from 30-40 miles away, and was done.

The US wins becuase of its electronic edge and support craft, not becuase US ariframes are any better- in fact, a Su-27 has immense power, and as an aircraft is as good, if not better than an F-15. BUt to win a fight, it is the elctronic package and a trained pilot capable of using it) that wins fights.

[self biased]

lucius pattern warhond titan.


mars pattern warhound titan.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by GePap


Well, not actually....

The strenght of modern airforces is based primarily in the ability to see and shoot first, in which case radar systems are the most important weapon system in the air.Actual airframes matter somewhat less. A mig 21 with a top notch radar system attached and with the support of some AWAS type aircraft would easily shoot down a F-15 with a poor quality radar and no AWACS support, simply becuase the one pilot saw the enemy first, fired a missile from 30-40 miles away, and was done.

The US wins becuase of its electronic edge and support craft, not becuase US ariframes are any better- in fact, a Su-27 has immense power, and as an aircraft is as good, if not better than an F-15. BUt to win a fight, it is the elctronic package and a trained pilot capable of using it) that wins fights.

Well DUH

you're preaching to the choir PASTOR TOM CRUISE TOP GUN

Plus US pilots are the best in the world, second to only the Israelis. You really think some wack Indoenesian pilots got the skillz to mess with Maverick and Goose? Helllll no.

Commies used to have good pilots but unfortunatley the whole place has gone to hell

[Pekka]

No, Finnish pilots are the best . We always get full 5 stars in every review. But there's only like 2 planes and 10 000 wanting to fly it.

[Ted Striker]

Finns are good at beating up Commies

[Pekka]

No seriously FAF is of excellent quality. The airforce itself sucks major hairy butts, just too few planes and lack of supporting systems. But, the pilots ARE good, they were and still are. You can read that FAF history on the internet in many places.. we still have most aces and only one war . Lost only what? 20 or less planes in many years of combat, and they took down few hundred or more planes. Combined drops with AA and planes were close to 1200 planes during the whole war (including continuation war). We had more planes when the war was over than when it started. Pilots flew like full hours all the time, planes were in the air at all times on missions. Not too much time for bombings either, mostly doing fights. One of the most feared pilots whose name I forgot took almost every time on 5 planes and still won. He still lives today.. only few pilots actually died. FAF created one of the more modern tactics anyway, I don't know what you call it in english but it's the top down combat meaning you attack a fleet with fre planes, few going straight on them and few on the top raining down on the fleet, usually ending in victory. Other tactics as well.

Naturally these days for example Russian planes are far more better aviation wise than hour little f-18:s though. But the pilot quality has survived every single review I ever read and has been regarded as of the highest quality.

BUt it's like this. Conscript army and you have to go. So why not try to be a pilot? At least that's pretty cool. So, only few ever get there, so there's a lot of material to choose from. If we had 1000 planes, the quality would drop significantly.

Also one of the funny war details is that most cadets never got to fly the missions, because the ones who started it didn't die away and give a chance to the eager new blood.

Ok, enough about FAF. It doesn't matter. You can throw in supermen, but if you have less than 100 planes, it's a joke.

So there. I go to sleep now. Dream about flying and bombing the crap out of baddies.

[Sir Og]

Originally posted by Vince278
Say what you want but what good has most of the former East Bloc crap in this thread done? If it were so awesome I would've expected Serbia and Iraq to do a little better than they did.

"What is the sword compared to the hand that wields it? Or the mind?" Thulsa Doom - Conan The Barbarian

Do you beleive that if US decided to attack Saudi Arabia for example the American equipment that they have is going to perform better than the Russian equipment that Iraq and Serbia had?

If you want to compare millitary equipment you need to have two armies with comparable funding and training. We haven't witnesed any such conflict recently so we cant say wich equipment is better.

[Imran Siddiqui]

This thread just calls out for another handmade drawing from Pekka .

[Pekka]

Imram, I might release my newest design soon... though the last one wasnt' very succesful, the black betty was a flop. But I have a new one called 'Dance to the Drummer's Beat' I know it's too long name so it's called DDB. i might present it here later on.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And the Mad Drawer (MD? ) is back at work .

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
A spearman, fortified on a mountain.

It sure does a fine job at taking out a stack of Modern Armor.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by self biased
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Self Biased, Mechs are the most impractical military concept ever.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Azazel


V etom ti predpologayesh chto ona sobyet yevo s pervovo raza shto nemnogo ne realno. to shto ya imeyu vvidu eto chto kogda on budet proletat paralelno ustanovki, u nyeye ne budet dostatochno uglovoy skoroste shtob za nim sledit.

Vse zavisit ot rasstoyaniya. Konechno za letyashey palalelno raketoy na rasstoyanii v 10 metrov, Tunguska bashnyu povernut' ne uspeet, NO raz eta raketa proletaet paralelno na takom rasstoyanii ot ustanovki, to eto znachit, chto ona shla 4 kilometra prakticheski pryamo na Tungusku i sledovatel'no ei prakticheski ne nuzhno bulo vrashat' bashnyu chtoby vesti po nei ogon.

A esli raketa budet letet' paralelno na bol'shem rasstoyanii, skazhem v neskol'kih kilometrah, to uglovoi skorosti vpolne hvatit, imho. Vprochem eto moghno legko poschitat'.