Return of the King

[Drake Tungsten]

Some of the questions were from Lost Tales and Unfinished Tales, so you can't be faulted for those.

I have both of those, but I haven't read them all the way through. I think I read all the stuff about Turin Turambur, though; I like that story.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Some of the questions were from Lost Tales and Unfinished Tales, so you can't be faulted for those.

I have both of those, but I haven't read them all the way through. I think I read all the stuff about Turin Turambur, though; I like that story.

Yeah, they are good and that is one of the best stories. My favourite is "The Fall of Gondolin". One day I will read the rest of the History of Middle Earth Series. But I don't have the time right now.

Poor old Turin....

Anyway, I'm orf to bed. Goodnight.

[Drake Tungsten]

My favourite is "The Fall of Gondolin".

That's a good one as well.

[Agathon]

One more thing.

ROTK won't win the Oscar for two reasons.

1. It's a cut down version of the real film, which will be the extended edition. The Two Towers EE was so much better than the cinema cut and made a lot more sense. The FOTR EE was less so, but still better than the movie cut. Most of your complaints about the directing will be assuaged in the EE.

2. The whole trilogy is a big "up yours" to Hollywood. Imagine, a New Zealander (where's that by the way?) takes a stack of money from a Hollywood studio and says, "I'm going home to make the movies, leave me the **** alone."

He then chooses fine actors who aren't really big stars and many of whom are not recognizable in the US (Bernard Hill is a good example, if you haven't seen his early work, do so).

He then uses his own effects company which ends up simply blowing the **** out of anything done by Hollywood (during ROTK I basically forgot that Gollum was CGI) - even though some effects are better than others. The CGI battle scenes are a revolution in cinema.

And he manages to make a film out of a book which was widely regarded as unfilmable.

It's a big middle finger to the Hollywood system and it shows that all they're good for is financing.

There's no way this upstart will win any of the big awards.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Was someone just calling someone else a nerd a page back .

[Drake Tungsten]

I'm not a nerd; I'm just well read...

Yeah, that'll fool 'em...

[-Jrabbit]

Yeah, but Hollywood always bows to the dollars, and they love epics and costume dramas.

I think there will be one major award (movie, director)and several "minor"/technical awards (makeup, costume, FX, sort of thing).

Nothing succeeds like success.

[Theben]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by -Jrabbit
Favorite continuity errors --

1. "Frodo, we have to get you something to wear." Sam and (shirtless) Frodo don oversized orc armor. A short time later, the orc gear is gone and -- ta daa -- Frodo's back in his shirt for the climactic finale.[quote]

In the books they discard the armor once they realize that no one else is around. Sam also gives Frodo his cloak.

2. The army of men (6,000 iirc) rides horses from Minas Tirith to the final "if we can just distract them Frodo will have a chance" battle at the black gates. The enemy is called out, and surrounds them in great number. But when the battle is joined -- I swear this is true, but I want to go back and check -- The army of men is on foot! ALL 6,000 HORSES ARE GONE!!!
(Oh, that skampish Gandalf... )

Supposedly they put themselves in a defensive position on a hill. Horses wouldn't be too useful...

[Arrian]

Wow. I was skimming Unfinished Tales & the appendicies of LotR last night, and I wouldn't have done as well as Drake did.

I would have gotten Utummo and Angband, though. Though not Thangorodim (sp).

Here's one I have trouble remembering (and only do now because I read it last night): what is the name of the 2nd strongest Nazgul, the one who runs Dol Goldur for Sauron?

-Arrian

[David Floyd]

The Necromancer ran Dol Goldur, at least in the Hobbit.

By the way, speaking of Dol Goldur, can anyone tell me what happened to it?

[Drake Tungsten]

The "Necromancer" was Sauron, though...

[Theben]

Originally posted by David Floyd
By the way, speaking of Dol Goldur, can anyone tell me what happened to it?

After the Ring was destroyed a force of orcs was repelled at Lothlorien. Celeborn and Galadriel crossed the Anduin and assaulted Dol Gol-Dur, with Galadriel throwing open the gates and laying the pits bare. In the appendixes.

And I thought The Witch-King ran Dol Gol-Dur in Sauron's absence?

[Arrian]

No. It was Kamul (or is it Kamil). The Witchking ran Minas Morgul. Kamul ran Dol Goldur (after Sauron left there and re-entered Mordor), and had 1 other Nazgul there with him as a messenger.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

Hmm, appears to be Khamul. I have a hard time keeping track of the proper spelling...

-Arrian

[Theben]

I know the Witch-King ran Minas Morgu, but I thought there was also a time when he ran Dol Gol-Dur.