Teens are diging themselfs an early grave

[David Floyd]

The rist tyrants didn't have large government institutions, just a gang of armed thugs. If there were no government, there's still be gangs of armed thugs, they'd just be working for the corporations.

Absolutely. But I'm not in favor of anarchy - go argue this point with Ramo. I'll probably even agree with you.

In a Libertarian society, if a corporation hires a hit squad, then the hit squad and those who did the hiring are going to prison for whatever crimes they commit.

[Theben]

Well, let's start by looking at intent:

-Communists INTEND to realize society's fullest potential by allowing resources to be fully utilized by all members of society. They realize that everyone benefits from society, so all owe a debt to society. The removal of barriers to personal development allows individuals to prosper.

-Libertarians INTEND to ensure that no one gets in the way of corporate corruption, theft, or monopolizing. People stuck with below living wages are told to get a better job.

See the difference?

So you don't think that death is natural?

You don't think others suffer more at the deaths of loved ones?

Tell you what. You tell me where your family and friends are, and I'll try to arrange having them killed as long as you never have to pay taxes again. I'm sure you'd jump at that opportunity.

[RGBVideo]

In a Libertarian society, if a corporation hires a hit squad, then the hit squad and those who did the hiring are going to prison for whatever crimes they commit.

Who pays for the maintenance of prison?

After 4 drinks most people are just loosening up.

You sure that the most binge drinkers aren't the ones who are 'just loosening up'?

[David Floyd]

-Communists INTEND to realize society's fullest potential by allowing resources to be fully utilized by all members of society.

Without letting silly thing like ownership or property get in the way.

They realize that everyone benefits from society, so all owe a debt to society.

The debt, of course, means that the rich owe their money to the poor, and poor don't owe the rich diddly****.

The removal of barriers to personal development allows individuals to prosper.

Only those who most benefit from stolen goods, anyway. The rich aren't prospering - they're going downhill relative to their previous position.

-Libertarians INTEND to ensure that no one gets in the way of corporate corruption, theft, or monopolizing.

This is blatantly untrue. Libertarians are interested in putting thieves in prison, and if corporate leaders use their positions to commit theft, they go to prison too.

People stuck with below living wages are told to get a better job.

Duh, of course.

Tell you what. You tell me where your family and friends are, and I'll try to arrange having them killed as long as you never have to pay taxes again. I'm sure you'd jump at that opportunity.

Actually, I'd put you in prison for murder. On the other hand, if you eradicate taxes, and if someone in my family dies from starvation (which wouldn't happen because families work together to help each other, that's part of the point), I would consider that to be a moral trade.

[Solly]

You sure that the most binge drinkers aren't the ones who are 'just loosening up'?

By the government's definition, yes. But the government's definition is a joke.

8 units, a binge?

Double that and I'd agree.

[Sava]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Without letting silly thing like ownership or property get in the way.

ownership of property isn't a natural concept... I guess you can use nature to justify certain aspects of your agenda, but ignore nature when it flies in the face of your ideology.

[Theben]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Actually, I'd put you in prison for murder.

Why? All that happened is that they died.

On the other hand, if you eradicate taxes, and if someone in my family dies from starvation (which wouldn't happen because families work together to help each other, that's part of the point), I would consider that to be a moral trade.

I'm sure you would.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Park Avenue


By the government's definition, yes. But the government's definition is a joke.

8 units, a binge?

Double that and I'd agree.

Sounds like someone's in denial...

[Japher]

8 units? How fast? like a minute?

[Soul Survivor]

I can definitely see this being true..... We need to have some mandatory military service here in the US A couple of months during the summer would be enough. It would also make people think twice about going to war so quickly when they themselves or their own children could be killed as a result.

[Spec]

DL dance!

[Garth Vader]

Originally posted by David Floyd
On the other hand, if you eradicate taxes, and if someone in my family dies from starvation (which wouldn't happen because families work together to help each other, that's part of the point), I would consider that to be a moral trade.

Communists would like to extend the "working together to help each other out" part beyond just families.

[RGBVideo]

Quoting myself. It feels kind of like frustrating, you know?
Who pays for the maintenance of prison?

Floyd?

[korn469]

or better yet who pays for the EPA and OSHA

[Theben]

Originally posted by korn469
or better yet who pays for the EPA and OSHA

Libertarians would dismantle those organizations ASAP