Teens are diging themselfs an early grave

[Sava]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Me either, the problem lies in forcing them to.

well, it's the lesser of two evils... what's worse? people dying or paying taxes?

the problem with libertarians is their answer to that question is usually the latter

[David Floyd]

Thieven,

Aren't you the libertyrant?

Yeah, but Berz's name for you is much more rooting in reality

Sloww,

Hell. I gave since the age of 14, and unless something is done I won't get jack either.
So quit your blubbering.

And you think this is OK?

che,

Libertyrant! I love that!

Really? We both know the implications of that name aren't rooting in reality.

Sava,

well, it's the lesser of two evils... what's worse? people dying or paying taxes?

Well let's see. Natural death is by nature non-coercive, and not a violation of rights (due to the fact that it is indeed NATURAL), so I'm gonna have to go with taxes being the worse of the two.

[RGBVideo]

Great. Another topic covering a debate about the good and bad sides of an utopist libertarian society. That's all we need at ACS OT.

[Theben]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Yeah, but Berz's name for you is much more rooting in reality

Different strokes for different folks...it's not like I don't consider libertarians to be thieves...

Well let's see. Natural death is by nature non-coercive, and not a violation of rights (due to the fact that it is indeed NATURAL), so I'm gonna have to go with taxes being the worse of the two.

I'm SO shocked...

[Solly]

As a member of the binge drinking class, the general impression I get of people who do so are that they are "hedging hedonists". They are happy to have two or three heavy nights a week so long as they do exercise and eat fruit. It does also seem the health risks are exaggerated in order to deter from the ensuing anti-social effects, which is what society is only really concerned with.

For example, I ran 2km in less than 12 mins, cycled 4km in less than 12 mins, and lifted around 60kg 130 times today. With football on tonight, the least I'll be drinking is four tinnies of Kronenbourg. Still, I had a good helping of orange juice this morning and a salad with tea, so why not.

And quite frankly, if you don't drink in this age group, you're most likely a social outcast missing out on many things. Around 1/3 mates I met because of drinking, 1/3 due to football, and 1/3 are acquaintances of the previous two groups. Most like to binge drink and it is during these times that friendships draw closer and relationships develop.

Just some thoughts.

[Theben]

d'oh! Got my threads mixed up!

[David Floyd]

Different strokes for different folks...it's not like I don't consider libertarians to be thieves...

Well, let's start by looking at intent:

-Communists INTEND to take every cent they can from anyone who has it, in order to redistribute the wealth around. This is also known as stealing.

-Libertarians INTEND to ensure that no one is deprived of their property, by individuals or the government.

See the difference?

I'm SO shocked...

So you don't think that death is natural?

[Theben]

Originally posted by Park Avenue
And quite frankly, if you don't drink in this age group, you're most likely a social outcast missing out on many things. Around 1/3 mates I met because of drinking, 1/3 due to football, and 1/3 are acquaintances of the previous two groups. Most like to binge drink and it is during these times that friendships draw closer and relationships develop.

Just some thoughts.

Drinking's all well and good but there's no need to binge drink on a regular basis.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
che,

Really? We both know the implications of that name aren't rooting in reality.

Considering a liberarian society would simply be a tyrrany of the great corporations, I can't see why it's not justified.

[Sava]

DF:nature =! what is good...

if we were to go by what is natural, humans would not have any sort of society and would roam around like animals and barely live to be older than 30... maybe that sounds like an ideal world to live in to you, but I think humankind's greatest achievement is civilization

[David Floyd]

Considering a liberarian society would simply be a tyrrany of the great corporations, I can't see why it's not justified.

See, tyranny implies authoritarianism and large government institutions controlling my life. This is the opposite of Libertarianism.

You seem to think that it's tyranny when you don't have enough money. That's pretty, hmm, greedy of you, I'd say.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
So you don't think that death is natural?

Death by starvation is not natural for humans in a world which produces enough for all.

[David Floyd]

Death by starvation is not natural for humans in a world which produces enough for all.

The world doesn't produce anything. Individuals throughout the world produce goods and services. They use their labor, for example, to grow food, and if you want that food, you're gonna have to give them something for it.

Death is natural. Death by starvation is natural, if you don't eat. Therefore, you want to eat. You can eat by a)growing your own food, or b)buying someone else's food. You have a choice. If you think that it is unfair for you to be forced to buy food, then grow your own.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
See, tyranny implies authoritarianism and large government institutions controlling my life. This is the opposite of Libertarianism.

No it doesn't. The rist tyrants didn't have large government institutions, just a gang of armed thugs. If there were no government, there's still be gangs of armed thugs, they'd just be working for the corporations.

[Solly]

Drinking's all well and good but there's no need to binge drink on a regular basis.

Oh yeah, if you have morning commitments (gotta go for footie training tomorrow 9:30ish).

The other issue is that when you hear of the limit for binge drinking (what is it, more than 4 drinks), it is just a joke. After 4 drinks most people are just loosening up. A binge is always followed by a hangover, and I'd laugh at someone who got a hangover after 3 or 4 pints.