Teens are diging themselfs an early grave

[korn469]

(which wouldn't happen because families work together to help each other, that's part of the point)

Trust me not all families work together, just look at the number of deadbeat dad's in the world, so we shouldn't rely on families to make Libertarianism work. What happens when your family dies in an accident? Or what happens with child abuse? WHo pays for orphans or foster children?

Here's the problem, people don't enter the world with zero debts to society. Infants cannot provide for themselves at all, not even when it comes to eating, so these children owe a debt to their caretakers. However, their caretakers owe a debt to the forces of civilization that protects them from violence and that ensures the operation of some type of economy. If armed gangs of thugs run around disrupting life, it is hard for families to provide for their children.

However, I'm sure that you will make a point that families can arm themselves to ensure their own security. It's true they can, and in many cases it will work. The thing is, this forces them to devote far more resources to get equal or less protection than society could provide for them. You will say that Libertarianism isn't anarchy, because it has courts, police etc. Yet who pays for this and how? It's hard having it both ways, that society still provides all of the comforts we as a people have grown found of, yet we pay nothing.

So who pays, and how do they pay? What would a Libertian society provide?

EDIT: Though I think we need MAJOR changes to society as well. I'm all for social Libertainism, but I think that full blown Libertarianism wouldn't work, that it would break down either into Anarchy or a Corporate dictatorship. I guess in the same way that socialists are communist-lites, I'm a Libertarian-lite. However, if you can ever provide me with some kind of structural safeguards from the depreditations of organizations that aren't governments, then I would become a full blown Libertarian.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Yes, I do see a problem with bilking young people out of thousands of dollars, in order to give the money to old people who refused to save in their youth, ESPECIALLY when you know full well that the young people today probably won't see any money of their own, because either they'll be dead from "partying", or the money will be all gone.

I remember you puking all over Reading, don't try and get sanctimonious with us

Damn I must have had a wasted youth...I have done none of those except the condoms. They tasted rotten and were hard to chew Alas I am still waiting for my teenage fun...

I can understand why teenagers are doing this. They feel more and more disillusioned with the society they are in, where they are expected to fit in to the machine like a good corporate drone...if they even get that chance. And that comes from someone who should have all the opportunities in the world. F**k knows what it must be like for others.

This society has to play fair with the youth of today. They are being driven to self destruction because they don't see a future. And I can see why.

[DanS]

Brits drink too damn much. S'truth.

And is a unit of alcohol what normal people call an ounce?

[RGBVideo]

They feel more and more disillusioned with the society they are in, where they are expected to fit in to the machine like a good corporate drone... if they even get that chance.

Ummm...?

[Provost Harrison]

I dunno DanS. I rarely drink nowadays anyway, although I will drink socially...just rarely to excess.

And Tuo...what?

[Shi Huangdi]

If this is happening in the US, this must be of great concern to the Democratic Party. Stupid people dying early means less votes for them.

[Solly]

A unit is 10ml of alcohol. About as much alcohol as you would get in an ounce of whisky. Now if you telling me over eight shots/four pints is a binge, then

[Provost Harrison]

It is in the Lightweight States of America

[Verto]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison

I can understand why teenagers are doing this. They feel more and more disillusioned with the society they are in, where they are expected to fit in to the machine like a good corporate drone...if they even get that chance. And that comes from someone who should have all the opportunities in the world. F**k knows what it must be like for others.

This society has to play fair with the youth of today. They are being driven to self destruction because they don't see a future. And I can see why.

What a bunch of crap.

[Spec]

Originally posted by Verto


What a bunch of crap.

not that much. Let's say half.

Really.


Spec.

[Solly]

This is the problem in UK. There are two distinct groups. The drinkers and the sanctimonious. Drinkers are like "hell, four or five pints, that's just a quiet night" and the sanctimonious are "well, I had three glasses of wine once and I was sick after so it isn't good for you".

Now there surely is a problem when you drink to excess, but excess is more like eight pints, forgetting what happened the night before, and having health problems as a result.

Four cans of Kronenbourg and two cans of Carling and I feel fine. Ready for bed, and I'll be up at 8:30 ready for intensive footie training.

[Provost Harrison]

Long term effects though Stew, long term effects. Your metabolism may have adjusted to it in many ways, but your liver...hmmm.

[Solly]

Long term effects require long term drinking. Six tinnies in one evening isn't that

[Provost Harrison]

Well, no, but if it were every evening for ten years though

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Verto


What a bunch of crap.

So your view is?