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**Dom Pedro II** · November 23, 2003, 18:22

No no no... I didn't do it to guilt trip him. It was just a side effect from it.

**Zylka** · November 23, 2003, 18:22

It doesn't work the second time!

**Solver** · November 23, 2003, 18:28

To make it short, I agree with Ming completely.

I can imagine of very few cases when I would justify suicide. Most of the time, it seems to me like an act of cowardice, or moral weakness - certainly not noble or something. Exceptions could be situations like when you're being tortured terribly, and suicide is the only way to end it.

Think about people you love, your wife or kids. Would you die to prevent them from dying? If yes, that's because you don't want to live without them... now, think about it, someone else doesn't want to live without you. And you should care about that...

Another issue is, would you stop someone from commiting suicide? If an acquaitance of yours would try to jump out, would you stop him? You're sure that it's what he wants, he has said so, and that's his choice, he wants to end his life. I know, though, that I would do whatever I can to prevent that. While I am there, I would use physical power to prevent him from commiting suicide...

**Dom Pedro II** · November 23, 2003, 18:31

And on the other hand, is it really the best thing to be keeping a pulse for the sake of those who love you? That's what I've been doing for the past four or five years...

I mean, I'm really trying to generate some genuine desire to live, but it's not easy...

**Verres** · November 23, 2003, 18:32

Rarely justified. Usually understandable. Always tragic.

**Ben Kenobi** · November 23, 2003, 18:39

Ming said it best.

As for my own opinion, "Where there's life, there's hope." I briefly considered committing suicide several years ago when I was clinically depressed. Took 4 months, and a complete upheaval of my life to get things back on track.

**TCO** · November 23, 2003, 18:40

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
And on the other hand, is it really the best thing to be keeping a pulse for the sake of those who love you? That's what I've been doing for the past four or five years...

I mean, I'm really trying to generate some genuine desire to live, but it's not easy...

Go get a girlfriend. Hit the gym. Stop drinking. Start drinking. There. Try one.

**Whaleboy** · November 23, 2003, 18:42

Find a purpose and go fulfill it.

**Datajack Franit** · November 23, 2003, 18:49

Exact- a purpose for living, everything relolves around it

**Verres** · November 23, 2003, 18:50

Meaning if that purpose is taken away you find yourself back to square one. . .

**Whaleboy** · November 23, 2003, 18:53

Or rather, if you complete that purpose you are redundant unless you find another, so suicide would be a valid option, if you define yourself by purpose.

**Verres** · November 23, 2003, 18:55

Hence the danger of needing a purpose in life. It all becomes very exhausting.

**TCO** · November 23, 2003, 18:55

Ditch the academic discussion. Dom, listen to me. Sorry you were bumming. But you are a good-looking guy with lots of opportunities. If you need some meds, see a shrink. If you need some help, talk to a padre. And keep coming to Poly meets.

**Whaleboy** · November 23, 2003, 18:56

Verres: As opposed to?

**Verres** · November 23, 2003, 19:09

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Verres: As opposed to?

Deciding that life has no actual purpose or meaning, so your duty is simply to make the best of it and enjoy it to whatever extent possible. In my experience (as limited and sheltered as it may be) constantly striving to find a purpose leads to misery, as you realise how insignificant you truly are, that you cannot change the world, and that the only life you have true control over is your own.

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