Suicide.

[Dom Pedro II]

I've had to deal a lot with this topic in the last two months or so.

What are your thoughts/feelings on the subject? Do you have a philosophy on it? Do you have experience with it directly or indirectly? Share personal opinions, stories, whatever.

Only thing I ask is that we keep this to PERSONAL suicide. No politics here, please.

[Jon Miller]

I have to admit that I don't know what to think. I know that I don't think that it is an unforgiveable sin. I think that generally there are better choices which can be made, but understand that some people can't see them.

Jon Miller

[Verres]

On principal, i dont see a problem with it (basically because its down to personal choice, and i think the decision to end your own life is something that it should always be your liberty to do). However, when others do it it makes me extremely angry and despairing with the world in general. Like so many things, its easy to state your position on it, but feelings undoubtedly change when it happens close to you.

[loinburger]

I've always disapproved of it for (among other reasons) the fact that in all likelihood suicide is going to cause a tremendous amount of psychological/emotional trauma to others. There may be exceptions (e.g., if I had an extremely painful terminal illness then I might consider suicide, since while my death might traumatize others my continued existence might traumatize them even more).

[Ecthy]

tried it, can't recommend

[Dom Pedro II]

I've always disapproved of it for (among other reasons) the fact that in all likelihood suicide is going to cause a tremendous amount of psychological/emotional trauma to others. There may be exceptions (e.g., if I had an extremely painful terminal illness then I might consider suicide, since while my death might traumatize others my continued existence might traumatize them even more).

I know for a fact that my continued existence is traumatizing, it's why I stick around...

Sorry, bad joke. Honestly though, that is pretty much the one reason that I'm against it because albeit it may be a personal choice, it is never without consequence to others... or least 99% of the time it is not without consequence to others.

[Dom Pedro II]

Ecthelion, do you feel like going into further details, or would you rather not?

[Whaleboy]

I have no problem with it, indeed I intend in all rationality to end my own life on my terms before my family heirlooms kick in, though that does not preclude the desire for an extended life should the unfortunate situation of children occur.

As long as people I love dont do it, I'm good!

[Ecthy]

rather not. just a sidenote, noone would have found me and... more at rotten dot com

[Verres]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
I have no problem with it, indeed I intend in all rationality to end my own life on my terms before my family heirlooms kick in, though that does not preclude the desire for an extended life should the unfortunate situation of children occur.

As long as people I love dont do it, I'm good!

Once again, I feel I must point out how utterly selfish this is. You cant stand seeing those you love die, and will kill yourself to avoid it; yet dont care what effect your death would have on them. You wouldnt want them to commit suicide so what makes you think they could cope with you doing so?

[Whaleboy]

People can live without me, I cant live without people. Its a case of feather and birds. Besides, I'm not majorly sociable so its not like thousands of people will lay flowers outside my door and chuck lillies at my hurst!

Nonetheless, your argument makes the fallacious assumption that I do not care about the effect it would have on those who love me, whereas that is of course not the case. It is a predicament that leaves me two solutions. Reduce the number of people that love me, or die regardless. Both is good!

[Ecthy]

not very sociable

we can tell by your avatar icon...

[Whaleboy]

Its a Saturn V, not an ICBM .

Still.... space is kinda cool..

[Verres]

what makes you so sure of that Whaleboy? As you are well aware, i dont disagree with suicide at all, I simply think the reason you give for it is terrible. People kill themselves for many reasons, some of them more logical than others. . . but someone deciding years in advance that they will end their life simply so that they never have to deal with the inevitable event of someone they love dying? None of us can live without people (whether we care to admit it or not) yet accept the fact that life is a ***** and we will lose those we care for. High time you got used to the fact and stopped undermining a serious issue with your petty insecurities and narcissism.

[Datajack Franit]

I almost tried it two times and was lucky the day I planned the second one was raining and didn't want to be found as a dead corpse soaked and pale like a ghost.. can't believe what I was going to do