Residence Life - - "Diversity Training"

[mrmitchell]

have power, they have words. Power is the difference between racism and prejudice. I have the power to benifit from race prejudice, i.e., I benefit from racism. People can make assuptions about my character because I'm white, but when it comes down to it, I have more power over them than they do over me.

Not necessarily. There are laws against discrimination by race and gender, and you probably won't find any trouble finding some ultraultraPC group to foot a lawyer's bill for you.

Even if you can't sue an employer for race discrimination, at least you can ***** about it for millenia on end. Let me give you some examples, to show you what I mean:
-Black man "John Q Doe" isn't hired by white employer "James Smith". He takes up the oppurtunity whenever possible to ***** on endlessly about it, and/or files a race discrimination lawsuit when a similarly skilled white man gets the job.
-White man "John Q Doe" isn't hired by black employer "James Smith." He takes up the oppurtunity whenever possible to ***** on endlessly about it, and/or files a race discrimination lawsuit when a smilarly skilled black man gets the job.
-For the purpose of this discussion, assume the employer actually was a hothead racist bastard, in both instances where he was black and white.

A few questions:
-Which man will be taken more seriously? The white man or the black man?
-Is it fair that we treat the black man's case more seriously than the white man's case?

[Dis]

one case is more believable than the other

[molly bloom]

Does 'race' still matter orange?


It does in Australia. If you're an Aborigine you won't see people like you advertising things on television. You won't see people like you reading the news. You might see an occasional sporting celebrity, or politician, but that's it. You probably won't have mains electricity, or running water, you won't have the same life expectancy, you will have had a range of childhood diseases eradicated or prevented in white or non-white children, you will live in sub-standard housing, you will be more likely to develop alcoholism, your children will be more likely to encounter problems with chroming or glue sniffing or petrol sniffing. You won't be treated with respect and you will have people like Pauline Hanson complaining about state hand outs and money being wasted on you.

I think some of the people on the course meant well- but telling people that 'people of colour' can't be racist is so 1980s. I'm sure that the parents of some of my Viet Namese or Chinese friends would die of apoplexy at the thought of their children coming home with a black partner. But that's not the point- as long as there are unscrupulous people seeking to exploit supposed racial differences then 'diversity' training for all its faults, is a good thing.

By the way, if you looked 'indian' and were from South America you'd probably be hacked off if some idjit had mistaken you for a janitor, especially if you studied hard and sacrificed to get where you were. Your first thought wouldn't be the dignity of labour and the Rights of Man.

Now you might say you judge people as individuals, and I applaud you for that. I hope to treat people as individuals too, but other people don't. As a friend of mine said, when people get upset at her, it's usually a short time before the 'black' thing comes out of the bag:

'You black this, you black that....'

As Carol said- "What, they're telling me I'm black? Like I just found out?"

If you want to stigmatize someone treating them as a 'colour' or a 'race' or even now as a combination of 'race' and religion is the easiest way to dehumanize them and stop thinking of them as an individual or a human being.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
A few questions:
-Which man will be taken more seriously? The white man or the black man?
-Is it fair that we treat the black man's case more seriously than the white man's case?

You make an assumption that isn't necessarily true. It depends greatly on the listener. The further to the right one is, the more likely they are to believe the reverse of what you write. I almost never see Caligastia or the diplomat or others of their ilk post about racist discrimination that happens to Black people, but oh, let a white person claim they've been a victim of discrimination and we don't hear the end of it.

Anyway, racism in employment isn't quite so blatent, most of the time. Sure, there are places like Denny's of Cracker Barrel (name should be a clue, folks) that have a repeated probelm with race. When I worked for Wag's (a competitor of Denny's that was bought out by Shoney's in the 90s), they had an unwritten policy of no minorities in management. We actually had one Hispanic manager, but he got less than $1 above minimum wage, when all the rest of the managers got more. Well, how do you prove something unwritten like that?

[chequita guevara]

BTW, there's nothing wrong with viewing people by color. Saying you don't see color is saying that there's something wrong with color. It's like saying, I don't see lepers, we're all just people. Black folks like being Black. They aren't ashamed of being Black. When you say you don't see someone as a Black person, you're saying to them (intended or not) there's something wrong with being seen as being Black.

[mrmitchell]

Che, I'm going to ask you to commit the impossible and guess what the average American would say in response to the hypothetical situations.

Or, alternatively, answer them yourself.

[Jac de Molay]

Thanks if you read all of that!

Yeah, I read it. And it strikes me as just another example of how liberal, PC campuses corrupt the notion of diversity as it relates not to race, but to thought and opinion as well.

Everything from these crap "workshops" to "hate speech" codes has had a chilling effect on free speech on a lot of campuses. When I was 20 or 21, I had no problem speaking out on controversial issues or expressing an unpopular opinion, especially with regards to race. I would be very wary if I were in the same situations today.

Hang in there.

[Dis]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Does 'race' still matter orange?


It does in Australia. If you're an Aborigine you won't see people like you advertising things on television. You won't see people like you reading the news. You might see an occasional sporting celebrity, or politician, but that's it. You probably won't have mains electricity, or running water, you won't have the same life expectancy, you will have had a range of childhood diseases eradicated or prevented in white or non-white children, you will live in sub-standard housing, you will be more likely to develop alcoholism, your children will be more likely to encounter problems with chroming or glue sniffing or petrol sniffing. You won't be treated with respect and you will have people like Pauline Hanson complaining about state hand outs and money being wasted on you.

I think some of the people on the course meant well- but telling people that 'people of colour' can't be racist is so 1980s. I'm sure that the parents of some of my Viet Namese or Chinese friends would die of apoplexy at the thought of their children coming home with a black partner. But that's not the point- as long as there are unscrupulous people seeking to exploit supposed racial differences then 'diversity' training for all its faults, is a good thing.

By the way, if you looked 'indian' and were from South America you'd probably be hacked off if some idjit had mistaken you for a janitor, especially if you studied hard and sacrificed to get where you were. Your first thought wouldn't be the dignity of labour and the Rights of Man.

Now you might say you judge people as individuals, and I applaud you for that. I hope to treat people as individuals too, but other people don't. As a friend of mine said, when people get upset at her, it's usually a short time before the 'black' thing comes out of the bag:

'You black this, you black that....'

As Carol said- "What, they're telling me I'm black? Like I just found out?"

If you want to stigmatize someone treating them as a 'colour' or a 'race' or even now as a combination of 'race' and religion is the easiest way to dehumanize them and stop thinking of them as an individual or a human being.

I have to disagree with leftie handouts.

giving people things is not the way to make them happier in life. Working and supporting yourself is.

[chequita guevara]

Young people should not be the trainers for diversity. They lack tact, understand, and nuance. There was a way to try and explain her point without being so crass. There is a certain intensity when you are young and full of ideas that isn't very good when subtlty is called for.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Of course its not fair. I shouldn't be paid more because I have a piece of flesh dangling between my legs, but that's the way it is.

Wow. I've got a pair of gonads and an erectile tube between mine. Frankly I think you deserve some compensation for being mutilated. Would you like to talk about how it happened? Sometimes that helps.

[Dr Strangelove]

Frankly I can agree with the idea that the black girl should be allowed to talk about problems with the black RA, but the white person should be required to bring his/her problems to his/her assigned RA even if that RA is another color. The black girl needs racial sensitivity from her counselor, while the white person probably doesn't. OTOH, if a white student has a really big issue about dealing with black authority figures it would probably be prudent to let them talk it over with a white RA.

I think Che has hit on a crucial problem. If the program is going to tackle problems like addressing racial issues it should be guided by someone who has more experience with people.

[mrmitchell]

The black girl needs racial sensitivity from her counselor

Thus it's only fair to assume the white person needs racial sensitivity from her (or his) counselor.

Unless you're racist. Are you racist, Doctor?

[orange]

Originally posted by Dissident
Is it really reverse racism?

Sure it is. Protesting some white people's opinion that black people are inferior by having the opinion that all white people are racist? That's about as clear an example as I could give.

some of the stuff you said was racist was only borderline.

If a white person said that they could never be friends with a black person because of their race, everyone would scream "racism" (myself included)

Can you really be racists towards the ruling race?

Absolutely. But there is no such thing as the 'ruling race'.

[orange]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara Does it ****ing matter? I've got a $60K a year job, based, in part, on being a white man. Boo ****ing hoo. Someone called me a racists. Guess I'll cry all the way to the bank.

Since when do all white men have $60K a year jobs? That's a REAL big leap there. My dad certainly doesn't, and he works two jobs (12 hours a day) just to get half that.

How about the same thing in reverse?

Racism. Does it ****ing matter? I'm an American, I'm part of the 'ruling nation' based in part on my ancestors being brought over to this land hundreds of years ago. Boo ****ing hoo. Someone called me a n****r.

It doesn't matter what your status. An injustice is still an injustice.

[Ben Kenobi]

Orange, do you have to be a Hall advisor? Surely there could be another option.

One of my best friends used to be my RA, and I just found out that he is Catholic. All of the time I talked with him, he could not talk about his religion for fear of someone getting offended and reporting him to his superiors.

Now we get along fabulously since he is no longer an RA, and I am no longer living on that floor.

These groups that you talk about, black people wanting to hang out with black people to be 'understood' just reinforces perceptions of racism. I really don't care where you come from, I'll talk with you and I don't need to go to my little group of 'white' people when I need to be comforted.