Residence Life - - "Diversity Training"

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher
Diversity - the FACT that we are all different

Integration - the accpetance of what makes us different

Prejudism - pointing out those differences

Racism - basing decisions on those differences

Wrong!

Diversity: Appreciating our differences

Integration: Mixing our differences.

Prejudice: Making decisions based on those differences

Racism: Having the power to carry out those decisions

[Japher]

Ok, Che, I'll go with that. Still, the RA who suggested that it is alright for a black student to go the black RA over their assigned RA is being racist.

Diveristy Training sounds like it is not an appreciation tool, but an integration tool. And supporting prejudicism does not help elevate integration.

Cali: they made King Pin black?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher
Ok, Che, I'll go with that. Still, the RA who suggested that it is alright for a black student to go the black RA over their assigned RA is being racist.

Dr. S-love made the most important post about this. Black people are frequent victims of racism as well as just simple racial insensitivity. Sometimes they want an escape, to be around people who have grown up with their own experiences.

I don't think there's anything wrong with white students wanting to go to a white counselor, provided it's not because they hate Black people. When you want someone to talk with when you are emotionally vulnerable, I think you should be able to go to someone you feel you can trust, even for superfical reasons.

When one group has oppressed another for four hundred years, you cannot expect them to just act like nothing happened. If Theben used to come over to your house every day for ten years and beat you, I wouldn't think you were an ******* because you didn't want to be my best buddy. I never did anything to you, but people associated with me did, and if I'm not a major *******, I wouldn't condemn you for it. I'd be pissed at my brother.

Nor can you abuse someone, then, when finally forced to stop doing it, simply pretend that now everything is okay, because you've stopped and aren't gonna do it anymore. Four hundred years of history weighs more heavily than you not personally particapting in it.

Black folks and whites folks are both damaged goods. We need to treat each other as if we are wounded on matters of race, because we are.

[chequita guevara]

I would also like to remind you that there is sucha thing as Black culture, and that, by and large, Black Americans are an ethnic group, distinct from mainstream America, much like Southerners are different frmo the rest of us.

White folks frequently put up with treatment from each other that Black people simply will not stand for. On the other hand, Black people put up with **** that white folks would never accept if directed their way. When we interact, it's tiring to have to be on your guard, and sometimes you just want to be normal. It's not easy to figure out what the boundries are or to figure out how to be comfortable with each other when one little mistep could blow up in your face.

But healing is never easy.

[Arrian]

We need to treat each other as if we are wounded on matters of race, because we are.

How do you get from this, to defending what Orange described in his first post?

-Arrian

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Arrian
How do you get from this, to defending what Orange described in his first post?

-Arrian

Combine it with my critic of them using people who are too young to be able to articulate what I said, the way I said it.

This is what they were trying to get at, without being able to say it, perhaps not even fully understanding it. What was said to orange was crass and crude and inarticulate.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Wrong!

Diversity: Appreciating our differences

Integration: Mixing our differences.

Prejudice: Making decisions based on those differences

Racism: Having the power to carry out those decisions

This is how I would put it:

Diversity: Appreciating our differences

Integration: Mixing our differences

Prejudice: Disliking a common group difference

Racism: Hating someone because of their race

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Dr. S-love made the most important post about this. Black people are frequent victims of racism as well as just simple racial insensitivity. Sometimes they want an escape, to be around people who have grown up with their own experiences.

Did it occur to you that there are also whites who have had bad experiences at the hands of blacks?

I don't think there's anything wrong with white students wanting to go to a white counselor, provided it's not because they hate Black people.

...but it's ok if a black student goes to a black counselor because they hate white people?

When you want someone to talk with when you are emotionally vulnerable, I think you should be able to go to someone you feel you can trust, even for superfical reasons.

Does this go for whites too?

When one group has oppressed another for four hundred years, you cannot expect them to just act like nothing happened. If Theben used to come over to your house every day for ten years and beat you, I wouldn't think you were an ******* because you didn't want to be my best buddy. I never did anything to you, but people associated with me did, and if I'm not a major *******, I wouldn't condemn you for it. I'd be pissed at my brother.

Perhaps if blacks weren't continually reminded of slavery, Jim Crow etc then perhaps they might find it a little easier to accept white people.

Nor can you abuse someone, then, when finally forced to stop doing it, simply pretend that now everything is okay, because you've stopped and aren't gonna do it anymore. Four hundred years of history weighs more heavily than you not personally particapting in it.

If I didn't participate in it then there is no just reason why I should be associated with it.

Black folks and whites folks are both damaged goods. We need to treat each other as if we are wounded on matters of race, because we are.

Or perhaps we should stop trying to force them to live together when they obviously don't want to.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Caligastia
This is how I would put it:

Well you're wrong. Racism is about power, not hatred. You don't have to hate someone to oppress them (though it sure makes it easier).

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Well you're wrong. Racism is about power, not hatred. You don't have to hate someone to oppress them (though it sure makes it easier).

I prefer to use the word 'racism' in the context in which it's most commonly used. Whenever someone is accused of racism they are basically being called an evil, hateful person. So unless someone hates someone because of their race, I won't call them racist.

[Japher]

Perhaps if blacks weren't continually reminded of slavery, Jim Crow etc then perhaps they might find it a little easier to accept white people.

Of course I agee

From this comes Black Pride, a media from which to isolate themselves from the rest of society. Having a culture is different from living within a society. If you do as they are doing, you really aren't changing anything. Black man are still asking for the white man to give them a bone. The only difference is that, now, the white man is giving them the bone.

Equality comes from Integration, and as along as they refuse to integrate then there never will be this equality, only AA, quotas, and Diversity Training.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Japher


Of course I agee

From this comes Black Pride, a media from which to isolate themselves from the rest of society. Having a culture is different from living within a society. If you do as they are doing, you really aren't changing anything. Black man are still asking for the white man to give them a bone. The only difference is that, now, the white man is giving them the bone.

Wasn't it the white man boning the black man? And now the black man is boning the white man?

[chequita guevara]

Intelligence is lost on you people.

[Japher]

"you people"!!! I'm offended!

[orange]

Culture is real, race is a bs construct.

Completely agreed. I can understand someone’s culture being different from mine, but I cannot understand, nor will I accept the idea of someone’s race being SUPERIOR to mine.

There's no reason to think a white person wouldn't be mistaken for a janitor if they were dressed the same way. Whether you think her race makes it more likely or not is irrelevent. The point is that she automatically assumes the worst.

Yup. She probably wasn't mistaken for a janitor, only those who were asking needed one. Sometimes people ask "are you" to shorten "do you happen to know where". When I am at a store I ask people "do you work here" even if I know they don't, and they usually respond "no, they are wearing" or "no, but there is one now", instead of "you F'ing racist!"

Sounds like this girl is very insecure with herself, and could care less to help anyone.

I stand with Orange and Cali on this. Race issues always rile me up, and I too could write 100 pages on the matter. In short, when most ppl say "Diversity" they usually mean drawing lines and crapping on the heads who they feel are least deserving (whites). Anyone, of any color, can be racist.

To comment on these two quotes, I also agree, but for slightly different reasons. If we only see coloured people in the positions of janitors, than we may be predisposed to believe that seeing a coloured person, especially ‘dressed down’, may be a janitor. What I can’t tolerate is the double standard. Either you accept that people are predisposed to believe things based on their interactions or you don’t, but I hate the implication that it is prejudiced to believe that a coloured person is a janitor while it is NOT prejudiced to, for example, be afraid as a woman when walking alone and there is a man walking behind you. To assume that the man is going to harm or rape you is based on your preconception that women walking alone at night are likely to be harmed or rape by a man is fine, so long as you can apply that to other areas as well. I don’t agree with this, personally, and I think both are prejudiced. It may not be that ‘wrong’ to be prejudiced in these situations, but it is still prejudice.

Racism: Having the power to carry out those decisions

Wrong!

Racism
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I don't think there's anything wrong with white students wanting to go to a white counselor, provided it's not because they hate Black people. When you want someone to talk with when you are emotionally vulnerable, I think you should be able to go to someone you feel you can trust, even for superfical reasons.

At least we can agree on that point, or at least the idea that the double standard on this issue is bunk.

If Theben used to come over to your house every day for ten years and beat you, I wouldn't think you were an ******* because you didn't want to be my best buddy. I never did anything to you, but people associated with me did, and if I'm not a major *******, I wouldn't condemn you for it. I'd be pissed at my brother.

NO! It’s still prejudiced! Otherwise you could apply this to someone who has had trouble with black people. That is why you shouldn’t judge people based on ANYTHING other than their own individual characteristics. People are individuals.

I would also like to remind you that there is sucha thing as Black culture, and that, by and large, Black Americans are an ethnic group, distinct from mainstream America, much like Southerners are different frmo the rest of us.

I disagree. I don’t feel that there is a “Black culture” just as there isn’t a “White culture”. People all have different backgrounds, and being black doesn’t necessarily tie you closer to someone who is black who grew up in a radically different environment than you did. Especially if they are not African American, but native African.

Diversity: Appreciating our differences

Integration: Mixing our differences

Prejudice: Disliking a common group difference

Racism: Hating someone because of their race

I like this set best, though I would define prejudice as making a judgment or assumption about someone based on a physical characteristic prior to confirming it with a more reliable method.

Intelligence is lost on you people.

Well I’m glad you’re taking such a self-righteous approach to this, but you have yet to prove a thing.

...you criminal