12 Italians Dead in Iraq!

[Sloth]

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Sikander


The U.S. threatened the Syrians for a reason. Namely they were allowing Baathist elements up to and possibly including Saddam Hussein to move across the border at will.

So the Syrians would somehow magically have the ability to patrol their border with Iraq, better than, say, the U.S. is controlling their border with Mexico?

Have there been any proof that the Syrians have actively helped with any crossborder operations I would be interested to see them. I think we are long past the stage where anyone will take the simple word as proof of anything that is coming out of Washington these days.
The monopolization of truth has been severely shaken, and that might in fact be a sad thing, but it is hardly the listerners who can be blamed for this tragic turn of events.

[Giovanni Wine]

I'm sorry... but personally I feel disgusted by all this.

All this talkings about what the left would have done or not.

The problem is that now we ARE in this situation, and we need to solve as soon as possible.

Is the right-wing party trying to to use the death of these people in order to play on the patriotism of the people and gain more support? Probably yes.

Is the left-wing party trying to use the death of these people in order to critisize the right and gain more support? Probably yes.

I'm disgusted by politics and politicians, the people who died there have my same age, and some of them were from my same city.

I'm sorry for this vent, (which anyway since It's done in English it's hard for me to really express my feelings)

Saluti

[Datajack Franit]

please feel free to take your head out of your ass

I am pretty sure my ass has more active braincells than your whole useless organism

War on terror and UN/NATO peacekeeping is completely separate from this Bushs and Berlusconis war for oil and national intrests

Yes, of course, Italy sent soldiers because they wanted oil! Of course the UN will not send troops because there's no more oil left to them... how sad

So why dont I just pick up a news paper- howbout Panorama- and find out something Like more propaganda from Berlusconi? Monica Belluccis boobs? What?

For a foreigner you seem to be pretty informed about italian stuff.. of course there's plenty of that in "Finland"

Because it's completely irrelevant and B) Who the hell told you american democrats were a leftist party anyway. They are moderate right wing or centre party in my standards

Yes, it is completely irrelevant that it was the mess created during the Clinton administration to alienate the arab world against the west

I find this very insulting

Of course, lefty newspapers posting every day pictures of palestinian deaths, ignoring the israeli victims is not insulting. Claiming that Israel shouldn't exist as a nation is not insulting. Everybody knows what's the feeling of leftist extremists and arab extremists when there's a suicide attack against the israeli citizens: that too, is not insulting

And to be sure: the vultures that are trying to profit from this are in the right-wing. They hope to regain the consensus from this tragedy. The're scrambling to say that is "Our 11/9" and Nassyria is "like ground zero", hoping that the tragedy has the same effect on the PM approval that 11/9 had on Bush's

Maybe the right-wing countries should be happy of their own people's death and should celebrate, burning american flags and singing Allahu Akhbaru like the extremist arabs all over the world.. yes, you have my complete attention- as long as they're americans, they're Bush's evil army, so it is ok if they die, because the arabs are oppressed

This is a stupid thread, people only care about blaming each other and no one really gives a damn about the dead ones

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit
This is a stupid thread, people only care about blaming each other and no one really gives a damn about the dead ones

Sad isn't it?

[Bereta_Eder]

Well something good must come out of it and it might as well be Berlusconi.

[Sandman]

You aren't in possession of enough facts to make a valid criticism. The U.S. threatened the Syrians for a reason. Namely they were allowing Baathist elements up to and possibly including Saddam Hussein to move across the border at will. Also, most of the funds being used to bribe poor Iraqis into making attacks on coalition troops came from accounts in Syria. Additionally they were the source of most of the early jihadists to infiltrate Iraq. They not only came into Iraq from Syria, they were Syrians.

Btw, a lot of these activities have either stopped or have been seriously toned down. I think the results of our reaction have been well worth whatever effect threatening Syria would have.

Regardless of whatever transgressions they've commited, which are probably no more than any of Iraq's other neighbours - undesirably porous borders, failing to catch jihadists, being part of the Islamic militant funding paper trail, I still consider threatening them before the dust over Iraq had even settled a mistake. Considering that Iraqi resistance is strengthening, I can't see how it had any positive effect.

Sounds good in theory, but far too time consuming and expensive in practice. As for Fallujah, I doubt that the reason it is a hotbed of enemy activity has anything to do with a specific U.S. action, though they'd like you to believe differently. They want you to think that they are just average people who are rising against tyranny. Well we don't have enough troops to be a tyrannny, and where were they during the past couple of decades if they can't bear tyranny? Oh yea, they were perpetrating it on the rest of the country.

There were tent cities and prefab command centres before the war began. Use them. I doubt they're any more expensive than the upgrades and repairs needed to get Saddam's palaces fit to use as US bases.

When Saddam fell, the Fallujans elected a new mayor. Hardly the acts of a people dedicated to tyranny. And then the Americans arrived, and claimed the local primary school as a base. When the people protested, the troops opened fire, probably without provocation. Until the Americans acknowledge their failure, it will continue to get worse.

We can save lives in the long run by being as tough as possible on those resist. All we are trying to do is put a democracy into place and get out. They want Saddam back. Tough luck for Fallujah.

Fallujah would probably be the most pro-American town in the Sunni region if US had never entered it. Getting tougher will end up as a complete bloodbath, dozens of Americans killed, hundreds of Iraqi dead, and even more costs for the US taxpayer.

If you feel the urge to punish the population for the actions of a few insurgents, you might as well leave now and save yourselves some money.

[Kirnwaffen]

Does anyone find any irony in the fact that the only part of the US Army actually trained in counter-insurgency is the only part of the Army that isn't in Iraq in force right now?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sikander
You aren't in possession of enough facts to make a valid criticism. The U.S. threatened the Syrians for a reason. Namely they were allowing Baathist elements up to and possibly including Saddam Hussein to move across the border at will.

According to a government that has a severe credibility problem. Until I see indpendent confirmation of anything the Bush Administration says, it must be considered suspect.

[Drake Tungsten]

I feel bad for the Italians, but isn't comparing this attack to 9/11 a little ridiculous?

[Datajack Franit]

Why? I don't think that 11 deaths are less important than over 2000

[Drake Tungsten]

I do. I would also never compare 9/11 to the Holocaust, as 6 million deaths are more important than 2000.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I guess 12 deaths is a trolling opportunity...

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[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sloth
I find this very insulting
I think you should apologize.

Let me guess - you don't come to these forums often

[Datajack Franit]

Let me guess - you don't come to these forums often

No, he just comes to troll his lefty propaganda- and he wanted me to apologize, he really MEANT that!