Gays are born gay, I'm convinced of it.

[Lancer]

The conservative position is that it's a choice gays make, but I don't buy that anymore. In the Philippines I've witnessed gay kids...young, aged 5 or 6, behaving differently from other kids. Dolores said "he's gay". Well, at first I didn't think so, but she told me of a relative who acted gay while growing up. His father used to try to beat it out of the poor kid, to no avail. Sure, I could be wrong, but it will be interesting to see how the kid chooses his future. It may be that some are born gay and for others its a choice...though its hard to imagine someone adopting that choice.

So I think people, and maybe animals, are born gay. My brother's ass is gay.

Discuss.

[Nubclear]

I completly agree.

I do know a few homosexuals (PC) who really *dont* want to be (they try to date women, etc but to no avail), but they are. Which pretty much eliminates the "I chose it" theory in my mind

[Lancer]

Thing is, I don't believe anyone is abusing the kid, and at that age he's obviously not engaging in sex...he's just gay.

What makes me a bit curious is that if being gay is a sin, and being born gay is a fact, man...that's a tough hand to play.

Maybe a gay can refuse his impulses and go straight, I've heard of it. Change impulses? I couldn't. Become gay? No way. However maybe being gay is less right, or natural, so easier to leave behind. That may be offensive to some, but who knows?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Lancer
Thing is, I don't believe anyone is abusing the kid, and at that age he's obviously not engaging in sex...he's just gay.

What makes me a bit curious is that if being gay is a sin, and being born gay is a fact, man...that's a tough hand to play.

Maybe a gay can refuse his impulses and go straight, I've heard of it. Change impulses? I couldn't. Become gay? No way. However maybe being gay is less right, or natural, so easier to leave behind. That may be offensive to some, but who knows?

Personally I doubt that being homosexual is a sin. I don't think God really cares whom we have sex with as long as we have a pure spiritual connection with them.

[St Leo]

/me, being an atheist, rolls his eyes

[Berzerker]

Pedophiles and rapists may be born that way, so arguing a behavior cannot be sinful if it's "inborn" is illogical.










No Mindseye, I'm not equating homosexuality with pedophilism or rape.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Lancer
Maybe a gay can refuse his impulses and go straight, I've heard of it. Change impulses? I couldn't. Become gay? No way. However maybe being gay is less right, or natural, so easier to leave behind. That may be offensive to some, but who knows?

Maybe it's societal pressure that makes them go straight. How do you know that, if the situation was reversed and homosexuality was the norm, you wouldn't force yourself to be straight.

I believe the reason we see a lot of priests molesting little boys(the majority of cases), is that they were born gay in a strict upbringing were being gay is a sin. To deny themselves of being gay and being shunned, they become priests instead.

It's not that I think molesters are gay, I simply think that molester priests didn't feel that had the ability to be openly gay and accepted.

ACK!

[Ramo]

Errr... 5 or 6? How exactly does a 5 or 6 year old gay kid act?

[Nubclear]

The obvious answer would be: Gay

[Ramo]

I guess I was asking for that.

[Lancer]

CT, there are some bible verses against homosexuality...I heard them once. Not much on pulling verses out of the air though, so I can't tell you what they are. Maybe someone else here, equiped with a memory, has that ability? Gay related verses anyone?

Berzerker, I'm not argueing that, just saying it's a tough hand to be dealt.

Tuberski, I think of it this way. People are normally straight, else how do we get more people? The purpose of sex is to concieve. All the sex drives point to that end except homosexuality. So, it's an aberation, perhaps a birth defect? People have it to varying degrees, but many can overcome it to set themselves right. In this society would only be a help, not a driving force as you suggest.

"I believe the reason we see a lot of priests molesting little boys(the majority of cases), is that they were born gay in a strict upbringing were being gay is a sin. To deny themselves of being gay and being shunned, they become priests instead."

This is good, wish I would have thought of it.

Ramo, CT was joking but he's entirely correct. The kids acts gay. It's wierd. It's not a consious thing, it's his nature. Not like some gay guy acting fruity to be noticed, but just....gay.

[The Mad Monk]

Yes -- yes you were.

[Ben Kenobi]

Gay related verses anyone?

You rang?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:26-7

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. "

Jude 1:7

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. "

[Lancer]

Thanks Ben.

[Ted Striker]

This thread is homo-gay


No seriously, I agree, MOST gays are born that way, they don't have a choice in what they like. Like I said I got my first stiffy when I was like 3 years old, checking out some hoes with some fine ass legs.

Certainly gays must have a similar experience with their own sex.