Dean wants to be the candidate for those flying the Confederate Flag

[Ned]

Dean is really quite offensive, is he not? I saw Miller on Meet the Press. He said that Dean has no concept of the South and that the National Democrat party today is clueless.

Miller cited JFK as a great Democrat - strong on defense and a tax cutter. JFK carried his share of Southern states despited being a Catholic.

Miller then cited McGovern and Mondale. One was the apostle of appeasement. The other promised to raise taxes. What they had in common was that each won exactly one state in the election, none in the South.

Dean and most of the other candidates share the values of the two greatest losers in Democrat party history.

And as to those who charge that the Republican Party is racist, who is in favor of vouchers and who are against?

[Edan]

Dean is pandering to try and get more votes - he's been doing that for a while now, to the point where I'm not bothered by what he says because I know he's just trying to get votes, not saying things with any conviction. The question is why make such a strategically stupid move? Dean has next to no chance in carrying states in the south and I am very doubtful that this will help him in the south more than it hurts him elsewhere (in fact, it might not even help him in the south since it's so blatently pandering that it rings false).

JFK carried his share of Southern states despited being a Catholic.

Of course, his choice of VP might have helped

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
No, the Religious Right and Religous Left switched parties in the 1960s.

Wrong again, Chez-Its.

The Republican party still stands on pretty much the same moral and economic positions it was founded on.

They are on the right instead of the Left because the amoeba Democrats switched from being Ultra Right to being Ultra Wrong.

[Dis]

The democratic party has been around too long. And they seem to outlived their usefulness.

What ever happened to the whigs or the federalists? I'm more of a whig

[GhengisFarb™]

I'm kinda fuzzy, but if I remember correctly the Federalists took a losing position on a war and dwindled out of existence.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeah, but AFAIC, ol' Howie should take himself out sooner, rather than later, so we have a chance at a real alternative to Bush.

Yeah.. if you guys vote for Dean, moderate Repukes like myself will be forced to vote for Bush. Don't want that to happen, do you?

(yes, I'm making no bones that I'd prefer Kerry to be our new President over Bush, even though my party affiliation still say Republican).

[OzzyKP]

Good for Dean.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ned
And as to those who charge that the Republican Party is racist, who is in favor of vouchers and who are against?

Let's not kid each other. The primary intent of vouchers is to allow public tax money (most of which is not paid by the parents of school age kids, their tax contributions are only a small part of the per-kid cost) to be diverted to private religiously based schools.

The voucher movement sprouted right out of the ashes of the "Committee for Excellence in Education" a religious right group which tried to gain stealth control of public school boards all over the US.

[Ned]

Dissident, the Whigs became the Republican Party when they merged with the Abolistionists, aka, the religious right - the people who ended slavery and who passed the 13th and 14th amendments.

The Democrats strut and puff that they are the party of equal rights. But it was the Republican Party that passed the civil rights legislation in the 50's and 60's. It was Eisenhower who sent in the troops to support Brown v. Board of education.

The slanders and smears of the Democrats are shamless. It is amazing than any minority supports that party since it is the Republican Party that truly is the party of equal opportunity.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by NeOmega
If I can't have Dean, I'll just vote LIbertarian.....

I'm voting Libertarian anyways. But I'm gonna register Dem to vote for Dean in the primary.

I wonder how many Libs are supporting Dean.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

Wrong again, Chez-Its.

The Republican party still stands on pretty much the same moral and economic positions it was founded on.

Using the power of the Federal government to regulate "appropriate" personal morals and corporate welfare whoring? Yes, the party that brought us the crashes of 1873 and 1929, both by fraud bubbles.

What happened to that bit about invading Granada (Nicaragua) and setting up a colony to export all the darkies to, since they wouldn't be able to integrate into "white society?" (Lincoln and Stanton) Or Stanton's vision of the greater American empire?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Sprayber


Mr. fun what party do you think controlled the south during the 1960's ?

Hard to say, since by the late 1940s, many white Southerners felt betrayed by the Democratic platform of equal rights under Truman's campaign.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ned
The Democrats strut and puff that they are the party of equal rights. But it was the Republican Party that passed the civil rights legislation in the 50's and 60's. It was Eisenhower who sent in the troops to support Brown v. Board of education.

Interesting, how a minority party could pass legislation in your parallel universe.

The slanders and smears of the Democrats are shamless. It is amazing than any minority supports that party since it is the Republican Party that truly is the party of equal opportunity.

As long as you don't unionize, and you accept that what's good for GM is good for America. Oh, and it helps if you're a WASP, too, but aren't those really universal values to which everyone aspires?

"Mexicans are better for that sort of work, since they're built lower to the ground" - Earl Butz, Nixon's first Secretary of Agriculture, on the question of using short handled hoes (which are notorious for leading to chronic back problems) in agriculture.

"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being." -Jerry Falwell (an obvious Democrat )

"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country." -Jerry Falwell again.

"Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free." -Pat Buchanan

"We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe." -Gary Bauer Another good, equal opportunity Republican religious conservative.

"I have a black, a Jew, two women and a cripple" - James Watt, Reagan's first Secretary of the Interior.

So can the self-righteous trolling about how the Republican party is the selfless guardian of all that is right and good.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Sprayber


Mr. fun what party do you think controlled the south during the 1960's ?

"Yellow dog" "Democrats" - as in the old saying "I'd sooner vote for a yellow dog than a Republican."


Up until the late 60's, you couldn't call yourself a Republican, due to ol' Abe and the carpetbaggers being Republicans in name. To say that Orval Faubus and Lester Maddox were FDR New Deal Democrats is an absolute joke though - they had the same name, but sure as hell weren't the same party.

Any more than Zell Miller and Barbara Boxer are in the same party in more than name.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
and setting up a colony to export all the darkies to, since they wouldn't be able to integrate into "white society?" (Lincoln and Stanton)

If you are talking about Liberia, I believe Frederick Douglas was a huge proponent of that. Himself a black ex-slave, abolitionist.