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  • #106
    Ugh... sorry, I just don't like Clark. In the debates I saw he just seemed a little too left (even farther than Dean or Kerry).

    I like the rest of what you said. If it was a Kerry-Miller ticket I'd vote for it right away... of course that'll never happen. Zell Miller just endorsed George W. Bush over EVERYONE running in the Dem primary.
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    • #107
      Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
      Clark,
      Why? He doesn't even have a real idea where he stands on the issue the Dems want to make central to their campaign: Iraq.
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      • #108
        In the debates I saw he just seemed a little too left (even farther than Dean or Kerry).
        How so?
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        • #109
          Well, Ramo, it seems he wants to spend more than Kerry (his $100B 'plan', the Homeland and Economic Security Fund). Both want to repeal the tax cuts on those making over $200,000, but Kerry wants to accomplish the rest of his goals by tax cut incentives. And Clark isn't as pro-NRA as Dean.
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          • #110
            The first quote he made wasn't offensive, to me...and the second one (most recent) is, in context, not bad either. He's just saying that his policies would be good for a broad cross section of American society.
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            • #111
              Originally posted by DinoDoc
              Why? He doesn't even have a real idea where he stands on the issue the Dems want to make central to their campaign: Iraq.
              Exactly!

              First, to know where you stand, you have to know what you're standing in.

              Second, that at least puts him on a par with the Bush administration, because it seems more and more that they don't have a ****ing clue where they stand either.

              Third, he's a recently retired O10 lifer with theater command experience. So he doesn't want to go off half cocked, he has professional relationships with the current people there (Sanchez is a former subordinate, and Abizaid a peer), and he knows that there's a hell of a lot of info that none of the candidates are privy to, and that the situation there is fluid and will change from month to month.

              Precisely because of his background, he's not likely to be prone to ignorant second guessing like Dean and the others, and he's also not likely to be satisfied making some crystal ball future policy statement on the basis of half-assed or less info.
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              • #112
                But Imran, IIRC, most of Clark's plan entails corporate welfare and huge increases in law enforcement, not exactly the left's agenda. As for the NRA, hell, lots us radical lefties aren't very fond of gun control.
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                • #113
                  most of Clark's plan entails corporate welfare and huge increases in law enforcement, not exactly the left's agenda.


                  I consider more government spending more conducive to the theoretical American 'left'. The theoretical American 'right' likes tax cuts.

                  As for the NRA, hell, lots us radical lefties aren't very fond of gun control.


                  Who the Hell cares about you radicals?! Not like you matter .

                  I'm using practical American terms: Left - Democrats, Right - Republicans
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                  • #114
                    Thing is, those are more properties of the moderate wing of the democratic party. The liberal wing doesn't necessarily see those kinds of policies as attractive.
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                    • #115
                      The liberal wing doesn't necessarily see those kinds of policies as attractive.


                      The liberal wing would rather see targetted tax cuts than more government spending?

                      Where have you been?
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                      • #116
                        The liberal wing wants to see the budget spent in totally different ways.
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                        • #117
                          The liberal wing will back a spender over a tax cutter, that's for sure.

                          It's silly to assert that a guy that wants to spend more on governmental programs than another guy is more 'right-wing' (when both want balanced budgets)... especially in the American parlance.
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                          • #118
                            I don't think that the liberal wing would back more spending on the grounds that it's more spending. For instance, I don't think that the liberal wing would back a massive crackdown on abortions. Similarly, I don't think that the liberal wing would back policies like lots more cops and jails and corporate subsidies.
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                            • #119
                              I don't think that the liberal wing would back more spending on the grounds that it's more spending.


                              I think they'd back more government spending in order to boost the economy and pay for health care .

                              Face it, Clark is more lefty than Kerry .
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                              • #120
                                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                                I don't think that the liberal wing would back more spending on the grounds that it's more spending.


                                I think they'd back more government spending in order to boost the economy and pay for health care .

                                Face it, Clark is more lefty than Kerry .
                                Kerry is from the great state of Taxachussettes no? Clark is hardly a lefty. And he definitely a real threat to bush:
                                Bush dodged service, the service is Clark's career
                                Bush stands next to Clark, the ladies pick clark
                                Clark is fairly economically conservative, his social views are liberal.
                                Bush is an economic cut tax and spender...... normally would be considered lunacy, but some people forget why they are Republican in the first place.
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