Axis&Allies board game

[David Floyd]

PBEM, I assume.

[David Floyd]

Except Ramo and I - we can play face to face.

[Jon Miller]

I think russia hitting EE on the first turn is the best

why?

because it stops the tanks that germany has from being useful against anything but EE

and keeps Karelia very safe

Jon Miller

[David Floyd]

I will say that I will only play Russia Restricted (ie, can't attack the first turn). Quite frankly, without that rule, the game is pretty unbalanced. The one rule of RR makes it MUCH more equal, if you know what you're doing.

[Jon Miller]

I think that subs are too good

to try and ballance them, I am thinking of adding the house rule (for next time me and my freinds play) that planes get a free initial attack against Subs

Jon Miller

[David Floyd]

Uh, subs can't fire back at planes, anyway.

[Jon Miller]

I know

but they can retreat

Jon Miller

[David Floyd]

Not until the plane shoots, though. The attacker always goes first (except in the case of AA guns).

[Jon Miller]

as it is

planes attack subs, get 1 shot, subs retreat

my modification would be

planes attack subs, get two shots, subs retreat

Jon Miller

[David Floyd]

Gotcha. I'm not sure how that is particularly fair or balancing...if someone wastes money on tons of subs they're gonna lose anyway, but it also isn't fair to be able to (virtually) guarantee that a German fighter can take out the British sub in the Eastern Med EVERY time.

[Jon Miller]

in a lot of games I have seen, all sea battles are completely made up of subs

and I beleive that a fighter is 3 on offense

that means with my modification that it a 1/4 chance for the british sub to survive

Jon Miller

[David Floyd]

In a lot of games that *I* have seen, the only sea battles in the whole game consist of the following:

G1: German naval units suiciding themselves as fodder to wipe out the UK navy, without losing any planes.

J1: Japan conducting the attack on the HawaiiSZ with as little force as possible, to take out the US carrier and fighter.

And that's generally it. Generally, people who spend money on lots of naval forces (other than transports, in the cases of US, UK, and Japan) end up losing.

[David Floyd]

Jon,

Yeah, but that sub isn't statistically significant, in the long run.

Oh, and usually the Brits need to build a carrier on UK2, to discourage German air attacks against UKSZ.

[Jon Miller]

I didn't say I saw a lot of sea battles

I just said that the ones I have seen, subs were overpowered in

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

subs can matter, it depends on how the game is played

(I agree that they shouldn't matter, but it depends on who you are playing with)

Jon Miller