Love Le Pen? Don't worry, you'll see more of him

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
tense

'have forgotten'

J'ai oublier?

Almost. J'ai oublié

For verbs ending with "er", the composite past ends with "é".

As for the difference between "Je n'ai pas de stylo" and "Je n'ai pas un stylo", it comes from the fact that the English word "a" is hard to translate. The French "un" emphasizes most often on the quantity. More often than not, you should use "un" where you'd une "one" in an English sentence.

In this precise case, the amount on pens you don't have is indefinite, so "de". If you wanted to emphasize that you didn't even have one pen, then you could say "Je n'ai même pas un stylo"

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Je n'ai pas de stylo.

vs.

Je n'ai pas un stylo.



Aussi, un stylo en Anglais est << pen >> et un crayon est << pencil >>

Je suis oublie mes lecons de grammaire francais.

"un" means more literally "one" in french. So the second statement would be "I don't have one pen," which means you could have zero or you could have two, or three for that matter. "de" means "any" (among other things) so the first one means "I don't have any pens." Actually, shouldn't it be "Je n'ai pas de stylos"?

[Kuciwalker]

Le Pen himself has been convicted on a number of occations for things like holocaust denial (something that's illegal in france but he wants it to be legal), antisemitism and for making jokes about the concentration camps.

Holocaust denial is illegal in France?! That's scary. I don't agree with holocaust deniers (I think they're morons), but I still think that their freedom of expression should be protected.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by skywalker
Holocaust denial is illegal in France?! That's scary. I don't agree with holocaust deniers (I think they're morons), but I still think that their freedom of expression should be protected.

While we value freedom of expression quite much, we are not as maximalist about it as the US. Actually, many European countries limit freedom of speech to a limited extent. These interdictions have mostly to do with nazi propaganda.

Even today, I'm not sure a Frenchman can access to Mein Kampf without having full access at research libraries.

[Ben Kenobi]

Je vous comprends.

C'est la mode de Passe Compose.

Ou pourrais-je trouver une liste des verbes francais irreguliers?

Aussi, je vais une clavier avec les accents francais.

[Kuciwalker]

While we value freedom of expression quite much, we are not as maximalist about it as the US. Actually, many European countries limit freedom of speech to a limited extent. These interdictions have mostly to do with nazi propaganda.

Even today, I'm not sure a Frenchman can access to Mein Kampf without having full access at research libraries.

That's really scary. People say the Patriot act is all undemocratic and stuff, but can you imagine the uproar if we tried to explicitly ban freedom of expression over here?

[Spiffor]

Ben Kenobi:
I'm sorry, I tried to google for it, but I couldn't find a list. There is a reason to that: we have a great many tenses, which are combined with 6 different subjects. As a result, each irregular verb has many different conjugations, and it is nearly impossible to list them all at one glance (unlike English)

But it seems this site is somehow good, as it gives the rules for the complicated "3rd group verbs".

Gah, it reminds me of basic school and junior high How I hated grammar.

Edit: forgot to give the link

[Spiffor]

Skywalker:
It is not scary, it is different. And actually, while I am for an absolute freedom of thought, I think freedom of speech shouldn't be absolute: unlike thought, speech is already an action, and as an action it has the potential to be dangerous.

We had a debate about the pedophile magazine, and everybody agreed it was illegal to give a "how-to" to pedophiles. But even that goes against freedom of speech in the purest meaning.

In France, it is forbidden to call to murder, to call to racial hatred, and to deny nazi war crimes. Recently, it has become illegal to boo the national anthem (this new law is outrageous IMO), and I don't know for how long it is forbidden to burn the flag. It may sometimes happens that books get removed from the shelves, but the very few instances where I have seen that during my lifetime, it was always because of a libel judgement. That's about it.

Needless to say, Le Pen wants to remove the laws against calls to racial hatred, in the name of "freedom of speech". It would be less laughable if he didn't advocate the return of censorship.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by skywalker
That's really scary. People say the Patriot act is all undemocratic and stuff, but can you imagine the uproar if we tried to explicitly ban freedom of expression over here?

It depends. From 1941 to 1977, it was illegal in the U.S. to advocate the violent overthrow of the government. There wasn't that big of an uproar. Right now it's illegal in many states to engage in speech which might harm a business. Remember the Oprah libel case?

[Ben Kenobi]

Merci, Spiffor.

Mon amie et patron futur, elle n'est pas parler le francais. Donc, je veux retrouver ma dernier habileté.

Aujourd'hui un autre amie, que s'appelle Lefevbre, mon patron s'elle appelle "Lefebre."

Ainsi vous pouvez voir qu'elle a besoin d'aide.

[Spiffor]

Ben:
Although it shows that you don't speak like a native, you have a very good skill for a non-native. You'll be able to help any French speaker to interact with your new boss now

But if you want to perfect your French, there are indeed many small flaws that would quickly go away if you ever spend a few months in Québec

[DinoDoc]

Considering the fairly imprssive electoral performance of the FN and the abject failiure of the Establishment parties to deal with the concerns they raise, is anyone really shocked by this article?

[Ramo]

I'm shocked that the people care about the rabidly xenophobic "concerns" they bring up.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
I'm shocked that the people care about the rabidly xenophobic "concerns" they bring up.

Reality can be jarring at times to people who don't let it affect thier world view.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Considering the fairly imprssive electoral performance of the FN and the abject failiure of the Establishment parties to deal with the concerns they raise, is anyone really shocked by this article?

Yes. Those who can't read anything from the Guardian without screaming, no matter the article.