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    From the Guardian

    Le Pen in sight of a regional triumph

    As French far-right leader begins regional election campaign, many fear his party could gain control of a large part of the country

    Jon Henley in Nice
    Friday September 19, 2003
    The Guardian

    There are many grounds for mistrusting Jean-Marie Le Pen, but electoral prediction is not generally among them. When he hazards a guess the veteran leader of France's far right is rarely wrong. And this, he said yesterday, is the most winnable election of all his long career.

    Even his opponents agree that next spring's regional polls, the first since the presidential and parliamentary elections last year which produced the biggest upset in the country's postwar political history, will probably give the pugnacious National Front president his greatest chance yet of a historic victory.

    "I see things very clearly," he said yesterday, formally beginning his campaign for the presidency of the Provence, Alpes and Côte d'Azur (Paca) region before a battery of TV cameras in a chartered yacht replete with champagne and canapes in the Baie des Anges, off Nice.

    "There will be three major contenders in the second round," he said. "Neither the right nor the left will withdraw - as they did to wreck our chances last year - and they certainly won't merge their lists.

    "I am confident that here, finally, we will emerge as the winners of a three-way battle."

    Many observers think Mr Le Pen may be right. The anti-immigrant Front has come close to controlling France's 20 regional councils before, notably at the last polls in 1998, when several conservative council presidents tried to make ultimately unsuccessful deals with far-right leaders in an effort to retain their seats.

    This time its chances of winning an outright victory, particularly in its heartlands in eastern and southern France, may be even better.

    The Socialist party is still reeling from the events of last year, when their presidential candidate, Lionel Jospin, was knocked out by Mr Le Pen, and their government humiliated by a landslide conservative victory in parliamentary polls.

    The early flush of Jean-Pierre Raffarin's centre-right government has faded, and its approval rating is falling steadily on issues such as its allegedly inept handling of this summer's heatwave and its unpopular reforms of state pensions, the civil service and the national health system.

    A senior Front official, Carl Lang, estimated yesterday that the party should reach the second round of the two-stage elections in "probably 16 or 17 regions". In 1998 it won an average of 15.25% of the vote and returned 275 regional councillors; even its opponents expect it to do a great deal better this time.

    It could also be helped by a change in the voting laws introduced by the government earlier this year.

    Aimed primarily at spoiling the chances of minority parties, many of the bill's measures were ruled unconstitutional, and what remains of the legislation, giving the second-round winner a bonus of 25% of all council seats, "could now really work to our advantage", said Marine Le Pen, the Front's vice-president and her father's likely successor.

    Nowhere is the risk of the Front gaining its first taste of serious power higher than in Paca, where Mr Le Pen won a record 28% of the vote in the second round of last year's presidential election. Unemployment there, at 11.5%, is more than two points higher than the national average, encouraging support for the far-right.

    Thierry Mariani, a conservative MP who has successfully fought off Front challenges in his southern constituency Vaucluse, said the prospects of Mr Le Pen becoming regional president - with control over a large budget for economic development, education, transport and culture - were "terrifyingly real".

    "Here the Front can count on as many votes as both the right and the left," he said. "It would of course be a catastrophe: every regional decision would be politicised."

    Mr Mariani knows what he is talking about. In the four southern French town halls it has controlled, Orange, Vitrolles, Marignane and Toulon, the Front has not hesitated to implement its policies of national preference for French citizens in jobs, housing and social benefits, and to promote "traditional" French culture.

    Subsidies have been withdrawn from rap and ethnic musicians and from festivals which showed gay movies; cultural centres which held "non-French" events have been closed; schools stopped from offering special meals to Jewish and Muslim children; municipal libraries banned from subscribing to leftwing publications.

    In Vitrolles the Front town council briefly offered an illegal £500 "baby subsidy" to couples who added to their family - providing that both parents were of white European origin.

    Michel Vauzelle, the current Socialist president of the regional council, is equally pessimistic.

    "There's a very big risk," he said. "Neither the left nor the right can win by saying, 'If the worst comes to the worst, we'll merge to keep out the Front.' That would hand them victory on a plate."

    Blinking in the sun on the deck of the Star Côte d'Azur yesterday, Mr Le Pen brimmed with an unaccustomed confidence. "True, the president of a region does not have the same powers as the president of the republic," he said. "But victory here will send a very, very strong signal.

    "After the earthquake of the presidential elections, it will mark the beginning of fundamental change for France."


    Summary: The Left is still in shambles of its utter defeat last year. The right is seeing its popularity fade quickly. As a result, Le Pen is highly likely to gain many votes in the local and regional elections next spring.

    I think it is actually good that such upcoming victory gets discussed a few months beforehand. Last time, we were completely taken by surprise by Le Pen's result; we actually became aware of the danger one week before the election.

    The problem is that we can be aware all we want, we won't turn the tide if nothing is done about it. The major left-wing party, the Socialist Party, dwells in internal struggles for power and is unable to really oppose Chirac's policies. The Greens and the Communists are nowhere to be seen, and they won't participate in changing the tide any. The centrist party is the only one voicing opposition seriously, but it is hampered by its ideological closeness with Chirac's and by its small voter-base.

    OTOH, Chirac's party (who has swallowed all of the Republican right) displeases more and more. The police minister is less and less successful in shifting the media's attention from the utter amateurishness of this government. Our wonderful cabinet is able to angry everyone: European partners, far right nutjobs, immigrants, workers... Only the police minister seems to please the population, but this popularity fades.

    What this means is a terrible mistrust towards ordinary politicians, and the winds of change will be expressed through votes for Le Pen and votes for the radical left. The radical left will be probably higher than before, but Le Pen's attractiveness to desperate people is much higher
    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

  • #2
    Hopefully the Socialist Party will regroup quickly and save the situation. Assuming it saves itself first. In Greece everything shows that the Socialist Party will lose and the Conservative Party will win. What's more alarming is L.A.O.S. The Popular Orthodox Alarm (It's acronyme means "The People" - sic) a new party which gallopes give it almost 2% of the votes. It ressembles Le Pen.
    Last edited by Bereta_Eder; October 23, 2003, 21:56.

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    • #3
      I'm glad to see Chirac fading in popularity, but it would be horrible see the National Front replace him. Still I would tend to think France is for the most part safe, because even in the case of a large FN upswing in votes, as the second round of last year's election showed most Frenchmen still reject him.
      "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

      "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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      • #4
        Sure, this scum won't rule on France anytime soon, but there is a very serious threat that he wins Marseille's region. And if Le Pen + the radical left ever equate 40% of the votes, it would mean that 40% of the people who actually bother to vote reject the current political class as a whole. And this is a sign of great distress. As well as it is the sign of great danger, because Le Pen will have more room to spill his hate and to act on it.
        "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
        "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
        "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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        • #5
          Spiffor, you say communists are nowhere to be seen.
          So which party (ies) constitute the radical left in France?

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          • #6
            The worst is that the political elite doesn't seem concerned, except on air.

            Le Pen's party has consistently been used by politicians to weaken the other, or it has consistently been ignored when party X took potshots at party Y.

            There was a fantastic election-tweaking recently, for local and regional elections. These local elections will elect the leaders of our Départements (something similar to your counties, there are 99 of them), and there will be an election the same day to elect the leaders of the Régions (each has 4-5 Départements in it, there are 22 of them).
            If several parties decide to be on each own's in the election for a Département, they can't merge and campaign commonly in the election for the corresponding Région. This is great for Chirac's monopolistic party, but it sucks for the divided Left. And of course, where Chirac's party will lose in popularity, there will be no united Left to oppose the tide of Le Pen
            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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            • #7
              Originally posted by paiktis22
              Spiffor, you say communists are nowhere to be seen.
              So which party (ies) constitute the radical left in France?
              The French Communists (the party to which I belong) belong to the "Republican Left", i.e the left-wing parties who acknowledge our representative democracy, and who try to have a role in the government.

              The far-left parties do not recognize our representative democracy, and they don't try to exercize power. Basically, they are either protest organizations (Ligue Communiste Révolutionnaire or LCR), or true revolutionaries whose only use for elections is to get themselves known (Lutte Ouvrière or LO; notice that Chegitz belongs to LO's daughter shop in the US called The Spark).

              Each of these parties was worth about 5% in the presdential election last year. There are several very small other radical left parties, but they are completely unsignificant in comparison to the both I mentioned.
              "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
              "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
              "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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              • #8
                I see. Although I find it strange that those parties do not recognize the parliamentary democracy but take part in the elections, if I understood correctly.

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                • #9
                  IIUC, these parties do not consider elections as a valid way to seize power, since only the revolution can do so.
                  However, the LCR is not very serious with its revolution, and is rather a "cool" party for students, or away to express one's frustration for people really living a crap life.
                  LO is a serious revolutionary party, whose members are well versed in communist knowledge and are active in spreading the revolutionary idea. Most of the members would be ready to take the Kalashnikovs the day revolution arrives. Elections are a way for them to get publicity and potentially new members, although their propaganda carefully forgets to mention the bloody aspect of a revolution (it rather emphasizes on what is wrong in our society).
                  "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                  "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                  "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                  • #10
                    Ah bon, Je vois... Je vais aller me coucher maintenent puis'que Je suis tout a fait mors de fatigue. A demain.

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                    • #11
                      So how much damage could FN do if they controlled Marseillies?
                      "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

                      "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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                      • #12
                        This guy's "far-right"? I didn't know being anti-immigrant was far right, but God forbid this guy withdraw "subsidies" to rap artists. Yeah, he's a rabid right winger...

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                        • #13
                          The Guardian is such a trash paper filled with useless political hacks who ignore every piece of evidience which controdictes their own bigited political views. Wouldn't it be better to spend your time reading a paper which shows both sides (the New York Times or the London Times comes to mind) instead of one which admites to being an "activist paper" which deliberately pushes the political agendas of it's owners?

                          BTW Le Pen doesn't seem to be a facist at all. He does say stupid things from time to time so he shouldn't be in political power. The real problem is the political elites who think it is their god given right to ignore the will of the people and simply keep advancing their mindless ideology. If the political elites would do a half way decent job then people like Le Pen wouldn't pop up but since the elites are stupid arrogant bastards we shall continue to see Le Pen and people like him.
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #14
                            God, what an incredible bunch of fearmongering on the part of the Guardian. If you don't trust the people's vote, then why don't just you switch to a dictatorship?
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #15
                              Why don't you just just pay attention at the most important thing: WHY is Le Pen getting votes?
                              I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                              Asher on molly bloom

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