"God is bigger than Allah"

[Az]

Its pretty clear the Phoenicians were Semites (probably very close to the Canaanites and Hebrews).

Since Canaanites is a generic term for a number of tribes living here, like the Amonites, and the Moabites, I think it's fair to call (us) all canaanites. The pottery is the same. the language is very similar. VERY similar, the alphabete is the same...

[Dinner]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
What's interesting about this to me is that nobody seems to question whether Boykin's rather apocalyptic views of the current middle east conflict as God battling the forces of Satan has any bearing on his fitness to hold the senior intel position in the Pentagon.

There have been many great generals in history who thought of things from a very religious point of view. Patton routinely declared that the allies' battle against the axis was one of good against evil but no one questioned his abilities as a general. Nearly all of the major Civil war and Revolutionary generals (with the exception of U.S. Grant who was a noted womanizer and alcoholic; though still a good general) were highly religious men and many were excellent generals as well.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Oerdin


There have been many great generals in history who thought of things from a very religious point of view. Patton routinely declared that the allies' battle against the axis was one of good against evil but no one questioned his abilities as a general. Nearly all of the major Civil war and Revolutionary generals (with the exception of U.S. Grant who was a noted womanizer and alcoholic; though still a good general) were highly religious men and many were excellent generals as well.

Yup, but when some US generals (like Fremont) started doing anti-slavery things, at a time when Lincoln was desperated trying to keep Kentucky in the union, Lincoln fired them. I think thats the right metaphor here.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Azazel

Its pretty clear the Phoenicians were Semites (probably very close to the Canaanites and Hebrews).

Since Canaanites is a generic term for a number of tribes living here, like the Amonites, and the Moabites, I think it's fair to call (us) all canaanites. The pottery is the same. the language is very similar. VERY similar, the alphabete is the same...

Yeah well, the RELIGION (and possibly related aspects of the social system) was a tad different though And while that may not be important to YOU, it apparently WAS very important at the time. (BTW, there was a secularist movement in Israel just before independence that called itself the Canaanites, ISTR)

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kramerman
why are you spelling God G-d?

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Its customary among observant Jews to avoid using the name of G-d except when praying. To follow this custom even in English is widespread among Orthodox and some Conservative Jews. I follow it somewhat inconsistently, but especially in conversations about Judaism.

[Ben Kenobi]

This is the fatal flaw in your own religion too.

Where does Christianity teach that Christ is only a prophet? They teach him to be the Son of God.

That's why he ought to be rated ahead of Moses and Muhammed, neither of whom is divine even in their own religions.

[Ben Kenobi]

And if any 2 belong together, as regards G-d concept, its Judaism and Islam,

Good luck getting the Muslims' agreement.

Might just be simpler to say,

The God of Abraham is the God of Isaac and of Ishmael, therefore the God of Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the same.

even their use of the that term to describe the Bible show how they misunderstand it

Well, if you accepted the NT as part of your canon, then the terminology would make much more sense.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Good luck getting the Muslims' agreement.

Maybe I can get Imran's agreement - that would be a start


Actually I think the parallels between Judaism and Islam are visible even to some fairly radical muslims - Sayd Qutb, ISTR, distinguished Islam from Christianity by Pauls by Christianitys distinction between the secular and religious, which he acknowledged was foreign to both Judaism and Islam. Of course he first distinguished Judaism from Islam by claiming Judaism was cold legalism, while Islam was informed by passionate love of G-d. How ironic that he was following an old CHRISTIAN misunderstanding of Judaism. Also unfortunately he identified the Christian seperation of the worldly and the spiritual with the enlightenment notion of separation of religion and state, and used this to claim that the latter was unIslamic. Fortunately only a handful of Jews oppose the enlightenment to the degree a Sayed Qutb does (even most of those who like the notion that the Israeli State subsidizes Orthodox Judaism would shrink from a full theocracy) I suppose thats the benefit of 2000 years as a persecuted minority

[Ben Kenobi]

that he was following an old CHRISTIAN misunderstanding of Judaism.

Not surprisingly, many things have been borrowed from Christianity by Islam.

I think the best way of looking at things is the passage with Abraham, he believed and God credited this to him as righteousness. As the father of the Jewish nation, how could this be considered legalism?

[Az]

IMHO, the biggest thing that Islam and Judaism have in common vis a vis Christianity, is the total rejection of any idea of divinity of Jesus, Trinity or any such ideas.

[Evil Knevil]

Completely true! One of Mohammed's(pbh) goals was to bring the Christians back to the true way (i.e the Judaic conception) of God as one indivisable whole.

[Spiffor]

You a Muslim, Evil ?

[VetLegion]

lol @ Spiffor

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
That's why he ought to be rated ahead of Moses and Muhammed, neither of whom is divine even in their own religions.

No, the fatal flaw is you all believe what someone else told you what God said to them. Moslems believe Muhammed when he said an angel spoke with him. Jews beliee Moses when he said he heard a burning bush talk. Christians believe Saul/Paul when he says he had a vision, etc. You all believe the words of men.

[Imran Siddiqui]

As the father of the Jewish nation, how could this be considered legalism?

Well, later on Jews were considered too legalistic by Christians. Certain Christian writers considered that the Christian believed in the Gospel and the Jews believed in the law. Hell, even Luther believed in that, and you can see his disdain for the law.

The reason for this is the amazing Judaic religious law. You had the Torah, and then commentaries on it by rabbis, and then commentaries on those commentaries, etc. You had a great, wonderful dialog in Judaism to hash out things (since there wasn't really one main Rabbi).