"God is bigger than Allah"

[MichaeltheGreat]

What's interesting about this to me is that nobody seems to question whether Boykin's rather apocalyptic views of the current middle east conflict as God battling the forces of Satan has any bearing on his fitness to hold the senior intel position in the Pentagon.

God's battle against Satan has one direction and one conclusion, as described in Revelations. Will Boykin attempt to filter and fit conflicting data into this viewpoint?

As a Corps commander or CINCARCENT, I wouldn't give a **** if he thinks it's God's will, or what have you. As a chief intel weenie, I'd prefer a guy who doesn't have any particular ideological bent regarding his enemy, his allies, or the nature of the raw info or analysis that passes through his subordinates hands.

[Ben Kenobi]

Imran:

Basically the idea that all believers are among the elect is a Liberal Reform of Calvinism. The original idea is that only the elect are saved and not all believers are part of the elect.

No. Read the passage carefully.

"which asserts that Christ's death atones for the sins of all men, but only those who repent and believe are elect and receive forgiveness."

Those who repent and believe are the elect.

No distinction is made between those who believe and the elect. The only change from the original calvinism is that Christ did not atone for the sins of the elect, but for the sins of everyone.

[Plan Austral]

I have a question, Somwhere in the bible Jesus said something like : I dont know the date of the end of the world, only the father knows that.

How could that be posible?
If Jesus is fully god he should know everything.

[Verres]

well, it could be said that Jesus is only a 3rd really.

Not that i am suggesting God has multiple personality disorder

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Then again, there are conflicts within Christian denominations as to the significance of works and grace in salvation, and Jews don't recognize Jesus as the messiah, either - so do Jews and different Christian denominations worship different gods? Or is it just "my God is the true God, and you are a heretic?"

There are theological differences, but all Christian denominations share the same core beliefs. So, we are still the same religion. We worship the same God. Whereas the differences between Christianity and Islam are much more radical. Christianity and Islam are two completely different religions. These fundamental differences between Christianity and Islam make it impossible that both are worshiping the same God.

Early Christianity grew out of Judaism. Early Christianity was essentially a different kind of Judaism. We both acknowledge the same God of the OT. Muslims do not! Islam and Judaism or Christianity do not share these common theological or historical connections. Islam grew from a completely different theological background with different prophets, and different core beliefs. It is a different religion, and therefore it has a different God.

[Al B. Sure!]

The God of the Bible teaches salvation through grace. Allah teaches salvation through works.

Catholics believe in salvation through works.

also, Arab Christians refer to God as Allah... yall do realize that 'God' is just the Germanic word for a supreme deity, right? it's different in other languages...

[Imran Siddiqui]

No. Read the passage carefully.

"which asserts that Christ's death atones for the sins of all men, but only those who repent and believe are elect and receive forgiveness."

Those who repent and believe are the elect.

I have read the passage carefully. The LIBERAL revision of Calvanism says those who repent and believe are elect and recieve forgiveness.

[Dr Strangelove]

IIRC Christains are saved through grace by accepting Jesus Christ as their savior, but it is expected that a true Christian will show himself through what he does, verbally and physically. It seems to me hen that it is more correct to say that Christians are saved through both grace and works.

Aren't there supposed to be 7 routes of salvation for Muslims?

[Ben Kenobi]

Catholics believe in salvation through works.

No they don't. Catholics reject sola fidae, or by faith alone, arguing that the works glorify God and any believer will want to do good things for God because they love and trust him.

Imran:

The difference between conservative and liberal Calvinism has to do with Christ's atonement. From your link:

"Also called "definite atonement" meaning that, Christ's death actually takes away the penalty of sins committed by those upon whom God has chosen to have mercy. It is "limited" then, to taking away the sins of the elect. "

This is the conservative Calvinism, while the liberal Calvinism states that Christ's death atoned for the sin of all believers, as I quoted in my last post.

[Ben Kenobi]

I have a question, Somwhere in the bible Jesus said something like : I dont know the date of the end of the world, only the father knows that.

How could that be posible?
If Jesus is fully god he should know everything.

Plan Austral:

God is omnipresent, but Jesus was not. Jesus has limited foreknowledge for the same reason in that there are certain limitations of taking on a human body.

However, while Jesus did bear some of our human limitations in the incarnation, he remained without sin, an indication that he was still of divine nature.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


Well, certain Calvinists do believe God predestined certain men to be damned from the beginning of time......

Yup.

I've always thought that was pretty badassed...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why should one believe Muhammed over Moses and all the other prophets?

This is the fatal flaw in your own religion too. In fact, it is the fatal flaw in all religions.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by The diplomat
Muslims do not!

Go ahead and keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The truth is, you don't know jack **** about Islam.

[Evil Knevil]

Originally posted by The diplomat


There are theological differences, but all Christian denominations share the same core beliefs. So, we are still the same religion. We worship the same God. Whereas the differences between Christianity and Islam are much more radical. Christianity and Islam are two completely different religions. These fundamental differences between Christianity and Islam make it impossible that both are worshiping the same God.

Early Christianity grew out of Judaism. Early Christianity was essentially a different kind of Judaism. We both acknowledge the same God of the OT. Muslims do not! Islam and Judaism or Christianity do not share these common theological or historical connections. Islam grew from a completely different theological background with different prophets, and different core beliefs. It is a different religion, and therefore it has a different God.

Early Islam grew out of Christian and Jewish traditions. They claim that they we are all children of God, the Jews are different sons of Ibrahim from the others. This is why all the previous prophets (including Jesus pbh) are co-opted into Islam.

The fact that you can't accept this is quite worrying.

[MrFun]

God is watching you -- even as you post nonsense on Apolyton.