Who is not being civilized?
All I'm noticing is you and Agathon are both ignoring what you don't want to hear -- Agathon by downright ignoring it and you by skirting around it with a veiled ad hominem.
All I'm noticing is you and Agathon are both ignoring what you don't want to hear -- Agathon by downright ignoring it and you by skirting around it with a veiled ad hominem.
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