Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

iTunes for Windows is out

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • no, you misheard. those were os9 users.

    FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD.....
    B♭3

    Comment


    • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
      Ideally yes. But it makes no sense for AAC to be so much better than mp3 (like Nice Guy says) and for only Apple to be using it! If that is the case, then it would make sense to say that Apple is refusing to licence it out. Or, contrary, that AAC isn't really that great.
      OGG is much better than mp3 and, unlike mp3/wma/acc, it's free. I can count the number of oggs I have that I didn't rip myself with my fingers.
      Blog | Civ2 Scenario League | leo.petr at gmail.com

      Comment


      • Originally posted by St Leo


        OGG is much better than mp3 and, unlike mp3/wma/acc, it's free. I can count the number of oggs I have that I didn't rip myself with my fingers.
        There's a freeware .ogg plugin for itunes (both win and mac)
        Only feebs vote.

        Comment


        • because .ogg is free and open source.
          B♭3

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Asher

            MP3, AAC, and WMA are all proprietary standards. OGG is an open standard.

            And AAC isn't the successor to MP3, MP3 Pro is.

            WMA and AAC are both far more advanced than MP3, unfortunately WMA is more advanced than AAC and also far cheaper.

            WMA is the cheapest of the three to use, AAC is the most pricey, and MP3 is in the middle.

            That's the reason all of the DVD, CD, etc. players coming out support WMA rather than AAC.

            In addition to AAC costing the most to license for portable MP3 players, the AAC files Apple uses use their proprietary DRM which means they won't play on standard AAC players. The portable audio players won't pay for and add AAC support when basically the only market for AAC is iTunes, and Apple won't license out iTunes' DRM for others to use.

            Hence only the iPod supports, and likely will support, AAC. Everyone else will support WMA in addition to MP3, and maybe OGG.

            Apple's slowly but surely going to screw themselves out of the market with this policy, like they've done with the Macintosh.
            I stand by my word. Or else you're gonna have to prove it.
            HAVE A DAY.
            <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
            "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
            For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

            Comment


            • Hmm....I'll use Winamp 2. Thanks
              Eventis is the only refuge of the spammer. Join us now.
              Long live teh paranoia smiley!

              Comment


              • There are some people who still don't get it. The iTMS exists to sell ipods. Dell's service will exist to sell their players. Selling online music at 99 cents a pop is not going to make you money. Allowing yourself to be undercut by allowing third parties to make cheap knock offs of your player is not advisable.

                Apple isn't making much money from the store and they have 70% market share (no doubt more as of Thursday).

                The labels are laughing since Apple and Dell are basically going to distribute their product for nothing in order to shift their own hardware.

                Anyway, as I said, the ipod is the undisputed #1 mp3 player on the market and accounts for over half of all money spent on mp3 players. That's a good enough user base for the iTMS.
                Only feebs vote.

                Comment


                • and Apple won't license out iTunes' DRM for others to use.


                  Again, I'd love to see you actually prove this. Repeating it just doesn't do the trick.

                  So, really, why do you guys find it so hard to believe that Apple doesn't want to license out the iTunes AAC and DRM?


                  I don't find it hard to believe. I just know that the evidence doesn't support the definitive statements on your part, which reeks of your typical dishonesty.

                  It's not Apple's to license out AFAIK. What Drake is talking about is the particular DRM software called Fairplay. Not all AAC files utilise fairplay (for example, the ones you rip yourself).


                  Exactly. AAC is an open standard, unlike WMA, so Apple can't restrict who it is licensed out to. They can refuse to license out their proprietary DRM scheme (Fairplay) though, although there hasn't been any indications of what the plan to do on that front yet. We will find out soon enough, as I would guess other MP3 player manufacturers are going to be begging for the ability to play iTunes Music Store bought tracks soon.
                  KH FOR OWNER!
                  ASHER FOR CEO!!
                  GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by Asher

                    And AAC isn't the successor to MP3, MP3 Pro is.
                    You're right. AAC Audio is actually the successor to MPEG-2 Audio. I was quoting that from memory so, oops.

                    Apple's slowly but surely going to screw themselves out of the market with this policy, like they've done with the Macintosh.
                    Statements like that will end this debate between you and I prematurely. You could be much less harsh if you don't mind.
                    HAVE A DAY.
                    <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                    "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
                      Hmm....I'll use Winamp 2. Thanks
                      I've never seen the attraction of that particular interface nightmare.

                      There used to be a mac clone of it called Audion which was just as bad.
                      Only feebs vote.

                      Comment


                      • I stand by my word. Or else you're gonna have to prove it.

                        ok, mr nice guy:

                        re: .mp3 / mp3pro proprietary standard; licensing fees
                        http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.html

                        In 2001 Thomson announced the arrival of mp3PRO, the next generation of mp3. mp3PRO offers two key advantages: enhanced sound quality and improved compression. It provides 128kbps performance at a 64kbps encoding rate, thereby bringing genuine CD quality and enabling Internet broadcasters to lower their bandwidth costs.
                        mp3 encodes and stores music. An mp3 file takes up just 10 percent of the storage space of the original file, meaning music can be quickly transferred over the Internet and stored on mp3 players. As a result, music fans’ entire collections fit onto a device no bigger than a matchbox.


                        conclusion: mp3pro is the official successor to the proprietary mp3 format. the only reason its popularity exploded and why it's considered an "open" format is because some hackers released a free version of the encoder/decoder, and because you can see the standard without paying for it at first. to actually use the standard, you have to pay up.


                        ---

                        re: .aac proprietary standard; licensing fees

                        MPEG-4 AAC has been specified as the high-quality general audio coder...Apple Computer has incorporated MPEG-4 AAC into QuickTime 6 and iTunes 4, as well as the latest version of its award-winning iPod portable music player...These exciting platforms represent the state of the art in audio coding—and Via Licensing is pleased to offer the MPEG-4 AAC Patent License Agreement.
                        The MPEG-4 AAC standard incorporates MPEG-2 AAC, forming the basis of the MPEG-4 audio compression technology for data rates above 32 kbps per channel. Additional tools increase the effectiveness of MPEG-2 AAC at lower bit rates, and add scalability or error resilience characteristics. These additional tools extend AAC into its MPEG-4 incarnation (ISO/IEC 14496-3, Subpart 4).
                        A copy of the MPEG-4 Audio standard can be purchased from the ISO online store (search for "14496-3").



                        An MPEG-4 AAC patent license is required for manufacturers or developers of complete (or substantially complete) end-user encoder and/or decoder products, or for manufacturers/developers of component encoder and/or decoder products that are provided directly to end-users.


                        Yes. There is an initial fee of $15,000 due upon execution of the license. This is a one-time payment and not an annual fee.


                        The AAC Patent License Agreement grants patent rights only. There are no deliverables other than a license to practice the patents of the AAC licensors.


                        The patents of Fraunhofer related to AAC are licensed by Dolby Laboratories Licensing Corporation, together with the patents of AT&T Corporation, Sony Corporation and Dolby Laboratories Licensing Corporation.
                        At http://www.dolby.com/trademark/index.html we found:
                        "For questions concerning Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) licensing, please send email to Advanced Audio Coding Licensing Administration, AACLA@dolby.com".
                        We believe that some of the patents of Thomson are also used in AAC:
                        ep0193143b1 (Grouping of values, suppression of signal compression below thresshold)
                        ep0251028b1 (Masking threshold covering more than one group)
                        ep0277613b1 (Masking threshold in adjacent groups)
                        Note: This list is not exhaustive; other patents of Thomson might be used.

                        mp3 encodes and stores music. An mp3 file takes up just 10 percent of the storage space of the original file, meaning music can be quickly transferred over the Internet and stored on mp3 players. As a result, music fans’ entire collections fit onto a device no bigger than a matchbox.


                        conclusion: aac is not the official successor of the .mp3 format, but rather the successor to mpeg2 aac. it is not an open standard because a company owns all the patents and controls who licenses it--and one must pay to obtain the standards. apple cannot license it because it is not the same company that owns the patents. apple cannot give what it does not own, else it would be hated like sco.

                        ---

                        re: wma proprietary standard; licensing fees

                        i'm not going to bother with this one. should be obvious.

                        ---

                        re: .ogg open source standard; no licensing fees (as of yet)

                        If you decide to sell your music in MP3 format, you are responsible for paying Fraunhofer a percentage of each sale because you are using their patents. Vorbis is patent and license-free, so you will never need to pay anyone in order to sell, give away, or stream your own music.


                        Again, there are no licensing fees for any use of the Ogg Vorbis specification. As a commercial developer, you are free to create and sell (or give away) open or closed source implementations of Vorbis encoders, decoders, or other tools. However, if you use our software rather than writing an independent implementation, you must respect the terms of the license. Our libraries are available under our BSD-like license and can be used whole or in part by closed source applications.


                        The benefits of a patent-free, license-free format outweigh the concerns of making money directly from the format. The Vorbis format will always be free and in the public domain. Xiph.org is investigating a variety of models for funding development, some of which may include licensing non-free Vorbis-related programs and libraries to commercial projects. Nevertheless, the reference encoder and decoder will always be open source and third parties will always be free to modify or reimplement them.


                        conclusion: ogg is an open-source alternative format.
                        Last edited by Q Classic; October 18, 2003, 23:34.
                        B♭3

                        Comment


                        • Anyway, here's some advice for Windows users who might want to install it.

                          Read the ****ing instructions. There are no end of people complaining that it re-sorts all their mp3s into a new set of folders and messes it up for other players.

                          Make sure you uncheck the "organize itunes music folder" section before you drag and drop files or disable it during the initial setup. (this is the #1 complaint AFAICS)

                          If you are using Win2K and have Adaptec's Easy CD Creator and Direct CD installed, either uninstall them or don't install itunes. Apparently there is a software conflict that causes some problems (or wait a week or so for a fix). At least that's the word from users on Apple's site.

                          For everyone else it seems to pretty much work OK.
                          Only feebs vote.

                          Comment


                          • Q Cubed - he just admitted that in a previous post. All that work for nothing.
                            Only feebs vote.

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by Q Cubed
                              I stand by my word. Or else you're gonna have to prove it.


                              re: wma proprietary standard; licensing fees

                              i'm not going to bother with this one. should be obvious.[/url]
                              Boy we sure are lazy today. j/k

                              Show me the $$$!!!
                              HAVE A DAY.
                              <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                              "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                              For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by Agathon
                                Q Cubed - he just admitted that in a previous post. All that work for nothing.
                                Um, I was only referring to my mistake about AAC being a successor to MP3 Ag.
                                HAVE A DAY.
                                <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                                "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                                For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X