Zero Tolerance or just zero common sense?

[Q Classic]

wonderful, so we have to have a sacrificial lamb now, japher?

and by zero tolerance for coke consumption, mr fun, you mean zero tolerance for anything fizzy, right? including pepsi coke?

[tinyp3nis]

Originally posted by Japher


Hopefully society will benefit, as now people will look at this case and reevaluate the stupid policy.

Surely this was not the intention of the school. You said the school did the right thing. If I set somebodys house on fire with the sole purpose to kill him and in the process he wakes up because of the fire and flees outside to avoids a crashing meteor or whatever, my actions have saved him from it. It still wasn't the right thing to do.
The law is only as stupid as the people who enforce it.

[Berzerker]

Why blame the school? It's the law, blame the legislators.

Japher -

In order to a good deed the kid had to break a "law". He has to pay now. No one ever said one good deed gets another, it just deserves it.

Justice is about what is deserved and what is not, so if the laws ignore justice, the laws are immoral. We need only look at the immorality of legalised slavery and the Fugitive Slave Act to see that the "rules are rules" argument is flawed. If you had to drive someone to the hospital and exceed the speed limit, would you say the cops should ticket/arrest you? However, you did make a valid point - what if the medicine was different and the girl suffered a reaction and died? Sure, unlikely in this case, but still a possibility. On the other hand, what if she died and the boy's inhaler would have saved her? The "law" says he couldn't legally save her, but should it say he could legally "kill" her albeit accidently? If she died because his medicine was different, should the school be sued or should the boy face criminal charges or a lawsuit? We can't have it both ways...if the scool should butt out, then the school should be exempt from the results. If the boy tried to help her and she died from a reaction, the boy should be exempt too...

When we get to the point for where people are held liable to criminal or civil charges/suits for doing what appears to be the right thing, we've lost something morally. That's why many doctors are reluctant to help people outside of their practice where they are protected by malpractice insurance.

[Dis]

stories like these make me want to go out and kill a whole bunch of stupid school officials

[Guynemer]

Blame the legislators, blame the public, but blame the school officials too. "I was just following orders" doesn't cut it when you are obviously in the wrong.

[Jules]

Originally posted by Dissident
stories like these make me want to go out and kill a whole bunch of stupid school officials

That's the spirit, Diss! Fight da power!

[tinyp3nis]

"But the school nurse said it was a violation of the district's no-tolerance drug policy, and reported Kivi to the campus police. He was suspended for three days and charged with delivering a dangerous drug. He faced expulsion and being sent to juvenile detention on juvenile drug charges. "
Well, more than the schools fault, it is the idiotic nurse. I see no reason at all for him/her not to let this pass. Was the kids going to rat him/her out?
I still doubt that the school had no power over the consequenses...
I have had my fill with "the rule" is better than common sense nurses personally too.

[Lancer]

NO! NO! NO!

Hang everyone involved, except the kids.

***Continues to plan escape to the Philippines, but with more ungency***

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
wonderful, so we have to have a sacrificial lamb now, japher?

and by zero tolerance for coke consumption, mr fun, you mean zero tolerance for anything fizzy, right? including pepsi coke?

No, only that krap called Coca-Cola should be banned with the zero tolerance policy.

[Jules]

Originally posted by Lancer
NO! NO! NO!

Hang everyone involved, except the kids.

***Continues to plan escape to the Philippines, but with more ungency***

I think Lancer has the best suggestion so far, although personally I'd avoid the Philippines.

[Ben Kenobi]

What's not to like about the Phillipines?

Warm weather year-round on islands full of fanatical Catholics.

Where else comes that close to paradise?

[Jules]

Random kidnappings by Muslim guerrillas come to mind.

[Ben Kenobi]

But that's what American marines are for.

[MichaeltheGreat]

And they'll do a bang up job of reuniting you with your decapitated head.

[Sikander]

"Good news Guillermo, we found your head!"

These zero thinking policies are moronic. What's happened to our schools? We spend 4 times as much per student in inflation adjusted dollars than we did in 1970, and the results are significantly worse. Part of that money has gone to increase teacher pay in what has been a "woman's" profession, so lets assume that half of that money was justified to compete with other professions for "especially" female employees. That leaves us spending twice as much for worse academic results, zero administrator responsibility policies, no gym classes for our obese student bodies etc. We desperately need to issue vouchers so that parents can choose between brain dead public schools, religious fanatic schools and money grubbing private schools. It couldn't be worse than it is now.