Pope says condoms are no good against HIV

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Mr. Fun:



I suggest you read one of my posts to Shi if you think I advocate banning condoms. I also challenge you to find a post of mine where I have ever advocated banning condoms.

Hey, you want to ban gay unions, so I thought you were crazy enough to advocate banning condoms.

But in all seriousness, my last post was really a trolling strawman.

[Ben Kenobi]

so I thought you were crazy enough to advocate banning condoms.

I suggest a valuable skill called reading.

Ever heard of it?

my last post was really a trolling strawman.

Well don't stop on my account. Practice makes perfect.

[Japher]

The pope is an idiot, everyone knows you get HIV from drinking out of the same water fountains as homos

[MrFun]

Japher, now you ruined our diabolical plans for world population eradication by revealing our secret plan.

you bastard

[TCO]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


My data comes from the UN / WHO conference on AIDS held in South Africa. The data used to be on the internet, it might still be if you look for it. This data is considerably more comprehensive than a small study done under ideal conditions. When I say that usage of condoms is only 50% effective I mean that it decreases the rate of transmission by 50%, not that 50% of those involved will get infected. I have a collection of NEJM, but it will take some time to locate a 9 year old article, if I still have it at all. In what little data you have given us there is no comparison of the rate of transmission between condom users and condom non-users. You could say, but only those who didn't use the thing all the time got the diseaes, but I will reply that those participants still legitimately belong in the condom user group because in the real world you would expect some non-compliance. Are you going to take everyone infected with AIDS and sew a condom over their penis? Can I point out why that doesn't work? I find it utterly incredible that there wasn't at least some rate of condom breakage, as you would expect in the real world. I think you would have to admit that in the real world breakage is going to occur. It is certainly well documented in studies of the efficacy of condoms as birth control.
Please also note that the rate of transmission in the US is much lower than that in Africa. An HIV infected homosexual in the US stands a 1:100 chance of passing the virus with each instance of anal intercourse when the infected person is the inserting partner. Among heterosexual couples in the US the probability is 1:200 - 300 if the male is HIV+. In Africa the probability of transmission among heterosexual couples is about 1:30.

Hetero studies don't indicate the risks from butt sex. That is a more trying test of the condom. Unless the "bottom" is loose.

[DanS]

You'd take Asher's word over that of an actual physician? Are you retarded?

Really, you need to ask?

[Dr Strangelove]

Come to think of it I have a young lady in my practice who came to me to be put on the pill a while back. She presented too late to start the pill during that cycle, so we discussed the risks of becoming pregnant. She decided to use condoms that month anyway. Now she's preparing to become a brand new mom.

[Atahualpa]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Well, the HIV epidemic is just more fuel that the Roman Catholic church uses to fuel the belief of: "be fruitful and multiply" - It doesn't matter that there is already too many people in this world to feed properly...

i think its more a problem of distribution.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Like the Pope knows anything at all about bodily matters below the chin....

[Caligastia]

I'm sure his drool must drip from his chin once in a while...or do you think it's constantly being swabbed up by attentive altar boys?

[TCO]

I had good results with the condom. As long as you wear it. It doesn't rip. Not if the girl is lubed up. Lifestyles are better than Trojans. Trojans are too small and they bind when you are unrolling them.

The sponge sucks. Don't ever trust it. Be a man. Use a condom. That way, you have positive control. Not relying on the lady.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by TCO
I had good results with the condom. As long as you wear it. It doesn't rip. Not if the girl is lubed up. Lifestyles are better than Trojans. Trojans are too small and they bind when you are unrolling them.

The sponge sucks. Don't ever trust it. Be a man. Use a condom. That way, you have positive control. Not relying on the lady.

I haven't had good results. I've had them break on me. Mind you I'm no Michael Jordan. I'm more like a Wally Cox.

[TCO]

I'm actually too big for the Trojans. But Lifestyles work well. I've never had one break on me. Do you get the woman lubed up? ARe you doing somtheing different from me?

[MrFun]

This must be a "first" on Apolyton -- straight men making an excuse to compare their c*ck sizes.

[Drake Tungsten]

Really, you need to ask?

It was a rhetorical question.