prove to me that communism isn't immoral as heck

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by PLATO
What about the individual that has great ability and little need? What would the commies call him, if not a slave, under this ludicrous statement.

Your error is your ingrained capitalistic worldview, which makes you assume that everything you do must have a price tag, to be exchanged for material compensation for yourself.

To look at this a bit further, most people's capability to produce goods are pretty much within a narrow spectrum, esp. when high degrees of automation is involved.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by GePap
"Desires"? why desires? People invariably want more than they have, in fact, usually more than they can get under their current life. Desire is a fine endless line to unhappiness. The Buddhist are right when it comes to desire.

Okay...To each according to their wants, from each according to their 'want to'"

[GePap]

Why would a human being not want to work to the full potential of their ability? In theory, there is one thing people are really good at, which also is what they would be happiest doing. This one thing though might not be an occupation which is profitable or capable of meeting their basic needs in a system which does not supply everyone with their basic needs. So how is it better to have a system were you might NOT be able to find true happiness doing what you are best at and happiest at becuase you must sacrifice that in order to take a profitable job? This in essence was part of Marx's romanticism....the idea he put forward of ebing ablt to do anything at any time of the day without having to worry about meeting your substinance, or how much you labor would fetch on the open market.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Your error is your ingrained capitalistic worldview, which makes you assume that everything you do must have a price tag, to be exchanged for material compensation for yourself.

To look at this a bit further, most people's capability to produce goods are pretty much within a narrow spectrum, esp. when high degrees of automation is involved.

Baloney! Most people's abilities? Who do you exclude from the "most people" in a communist society. What about the person who can produce more (or less)?

In addition, every persons work does produce value...and that value differs greatly. I have been managing people for over 15 years and the one thing I know for sure is that their production levels vary drastically. How does a communist society reconcile this?

Further, How are each persons "needs" defined and who does the defining?

[PLATO]

Originally posted by GePap
Why would a human being not want to work to the full potential of their ability? In theory, there is one thing people are really good at, which also is what they would be happiest doing. This one thing though might not be an occupation which is profitable or capable of meeting their basic needs in a system which does not supply everyone with their basic needs. So how is it better to have a system were you might NOT be able to find true happiness doing what you are best at and happiest at becuase you must sacrifice that in order to take a profitable job? This in essence was part of Marx's romanticism....the idea he put forward of ebing ablt to do anything at any time of the day without having to worry about meeting your substinance, or how much you labor would fetch on the open market.

Marx was a romantic. Unfortunately, he was not a realist. What I am best at is sitting on a boat on the lake, drinking beer, and talking football. If Communism will give me this, then lets talk.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by PLATO


Marx was a romantic. Unfortunately, he was not a realist. What I am best at is sitting on a boat on the lake, drinking beer, and talking football. If Communism will give me this, then lets talk.

Fisherman, beer taster. (yeah, alright... a stretch ) and sports commentator.

[Odin]

Originally posted by PLATO


Marx was a romantic. Unfortunately, he was not a realist. What I am best at is sitting on a boat on the lake, drinking beer, and talking football. If Communism will give me this, then lets talk.

I don't think Marx ment EVERYTHING. not everyone can be president of the US. Don't take a mile if we give you inch.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Odin


I don't think Marx ment EVERYTHING. not everyone can be president of the US. Don't take a mile if we give you inch.

I'm willing to settle for a small boat

[GePap]

I think the basic questions are these:

Would you do what you do now if no one paid you to do it?

What would you do even if no one paid you to do it?

[PLATO]

Originally posted by GePap
I think the basic questions are these:

Would you do what you do now if no one paid you to do it?

What would you do even if no one paid you to do it?

What i do now is hard. It pays very well, but it is incredibly stressful. I do enjoy what I do, but I don't know anyone in my industry that would do it for no pay.

In answer to your second question...I really will settle for a small boat

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Dissident
As far left as I strive to be,

[GePap]

I think the proleteriat dictatorship can afford to give you a boat..will a 20 footer do? With or without sails?

[PLATO]

Originally posted by GePap
I think the proleteriat dictatorship can afford to give you a boat..will a 20 footer do? With or without sails?

No sails please.

*PLATO sells his political soul *

[GePap]

If all conversions were so simple....

[Zero]

COuldnt one argue that capitalistic society is immoral as heck too because some people will be "enslaved" to work?

This topic is boring. Lets talk about Baseball playoffs!