prove to me that communism isn't immoral as heck

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Japher


It's all about your frame of mind... Yet taking a stance on it's morality would present for a very vague argument. It would be like a jew and a catholic arguing about which knife to cut the pork with.

sorry I'm not a relativist

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
We know what you're REALLY up to -- you're plotting a communist revolution in the United States.

I've never denied that. Not so much plotting, as trying to convince enough people to be able to do it.

[Japher]

Communism is obviously a crappy government system - if it was good people wouldn't starve and floating to capitalist countries in makeshift boats... Yet, electivly participating in a communist regime is not amoral, yet forcing people to take part in it is a suppression of freedoms, which, IMO is amoral...

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I've never denied that. Not so much plotting, as trying to convince enough people to be able to do it.

Well, at least your plans are based on a pipe-dream.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
Well, at least your plans are based on a pipe-dream.

"It is unreasonable people who change the world, " Frank Lloyd Wright.

In 1912, there were only 50 members of the Bolshevik wing of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party. Five years later they over threw the government, twice.

In 1965, if you told someone that in five years there would be millions of people in the streets protesting the Vietnam War, they would have looked at you like you were crazy. Yet it came true.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


"It is unreasonable people who change the world, " Frank Lloyd Wright.

And have their dreams popularized, cheapened and abused by every mediocre suburban developer in the US. Now if only Wright had been more reasonable, less succesful ......

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Japher
Communism is obviously a crappy government system - if it was good people wouldn't starve and floating to capitalist countries in makeshift boats... Yet, electivly participating in a communist regime is not amoral, yet forcing people to take part in it is a suppression of freedoms, which, IMO is amoral...

They come on those boats expecting to live in Manhattan but end up in the South Bronx. Then find they can't even afford to buy the materials to build a return boat.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


"It is unreasonable people who change the world, " Frank Lloyd Wright.

In 1912, there were only 50 members of the Bolshevik wing of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party. Five years later they over threw the government, twice.

In 1965, if you told someone that in five years there would be millions of people in the streets protesting the Vietnam War, they would have looked at you like you were crazy. Yet it came true.

That still does not disprove that yours is nothing but a pipe dream.

[SKILORD]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


"It is unreasonable people who change the world, " Frank Lloyd Wright.

In 1912, there were only 50 members of the Bolshevik wing of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party. Five years later they over threw the government, twice.

In 1965, if you told someone that in five years there would be millions of people in the streets protesting the Vietnam War, they would have looked at you like you were crazy. Yet it came true.

In 1781 there were approximately no Fascists in America. Five years later:

Still true. What's more, they didn't overthrow the government.

Not once.

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Your statistics are only impressive because they are the exception rather than the rule.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by SKILORD


In 1781 there were approximately no Fascists in America. Five years later:

Still true. What's more, they didn't overthrow the government.

Not once.

That depends on who you ask.

[SKILORD]

Originally posted by Osweld


So how do you like being a slave, giving part of your wage to feed and shelter people, or educate children?

1) I hate feeding and sheltering other people.

2) Public Schooling as it exists in the United States is a noble system, we all pay the tax yes, and not all have childeren enrolled; however all have the opportunity to enroll their children. This is the sort of government service which we should approve of and we should systematically dismantle all elitist services (limited to certain groups)

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by SKILORD

2) Public Schooling as it exists in the United States is a noble system, we all pay the tax yes, and not all have childeren enrolled; however all have the opportunity to enroll their children. This is the sort of government service which we should approve of and we should systematically dismantle all elitist services (limited to certain groups)

And what about the people with no kids?

[SKILORD]

Actually Fascists were a bad example because a combined business-millitary interest did plan to overthrow the Articles of Confederation. I should perhaps edit in a correction....

nah

[SKILORD]

Good point Osweld, being as I am, too young to pay taxes I was unaware that they paid the tax.

[General Ludd]

So, anyways, how's your life as a slave? I've always wanted to get a first hand account of a slave's life.

EDIT: And hearing it from the child of a slave will do, aswell.