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Originally posted by yavoon
yes true. I will hereby add "homeless ppl that do not work."
yes true. I will hereby add "homeless ppl that do not work."
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Well that doesn't mean the same thing because all homeless people need shelter. btw, I bet more homeless people work than rich people.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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very few ppl starve in developed capitalist societies.Originally posted by Osweld
Yes, like they choose whether they eat or not.Comment
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as a % or a #?Originally posted by Kidicious
Well that doesn't mean the same thing because all homeless people need shelter. btw, I bet more homeless people work than rich people.Comment
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Yes, because of socialist programs.Originally posted by yavoon
very few ppl starve in developed capitalist societies.Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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% of course.Originally posted by yavoon
as a % or a #?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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yes, I'm not arguing for lasseiz faire. I believe in welfare programs and anti trust and all sorts of mechanisms to help develop the intent of capitalism(competition). to its best.Originally posted by Osweld
Yes, because of socialist programs.Comment
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k sure I'll take u up on that.Originally posted by Kidicious
% of course.Comment
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are standard social welfare programs socialist? then i really am a socialistOriginally posted by Osweld
Yes, because of socialist programs.
Of course ive always said im a social democrat
i thought we were talking about communism here
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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So how do you like being a slave, giving part of your wage to feed and shelter people, or educate children?Originally posted by yavoon
yes, I'm not arguing for lasseiz faire. I believe in welfare programs and anti trust and all sorts of mechanisms to help develop the intent of capitalism(competition). to its best.Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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I dont have to give it all. ur right tho, taxes are forced. and I don't like how quite a bit of my taxes get spent. I would take moderate taxation to help lube capitalism over communist authoritarianism anyday.Originally posted by Osweld
So how do you like being a slave, giving part of your wage to feed and shelter people, or educate children?
u can imagine as they take mor eof my money i feel like more of a "slave." more work so other ppl can spend my money. if they just removed my money(work product) and reallocated it as they saw fit. then there'd be hell to pay.Comment
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Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
not really... in proportion if you take all the communist states together and all the capitalist ones including africa/ south america etc...
Which is what I am doing.
on average I am 100% certain that all the hunger... think about it... Ukraine, Russia, China, etc... because of management mistakes would never have happened in a similarly developed capitalist society...
Au contrair, management mistakes are occuring all the time. Ever hear of the terms: crisis, depression, & recession? Just because the management is done anarchically instead of centrally doesn't mean that capitalist famines are not the result of mismanagement. The difference, though, is that capitalist famines are an integral part of the system. Capitalism needs them to redirect the flow of capitali from less profitable to more profitable enterprises, to shake out the dead wood.
People in capitalism are hungry because of natural catastophes like droughts/floods or wars etc,
War is actually the chief cause of famine in the modern world, but not the only one. Even still, most wars occur in the capitalist world and are fought over the control of capital and resources. This is not always the case. During the Somoli famine, for example, the country was still exporting food in order to get hard currency. Money was more important than lives (the Bolsheviks also did this in 1924, IIRC).
During the Irish Potato Blight, Ireland exported enough food to feed the whole island. Clearly, the famine was not the result of the blight, but that capitalist farmers couldn't make money selling to people with no money. Ireland's population has only just recovered from the famine, btw, even though it was 160 years ago.
It's better not to die at all, but would you rather die from a mistake or to enrich some landlord?Last edited by chequita guevara; October 3, 2003, 14:32.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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sheesh, this thread is still bobbing on the surface!
First, I'll say it again, morals are subjective.
Second, saying that communism promotes slavery is a bad argument to take as communism is as much a train of though as it is a form of government. This train of thought is intuned to the utopian idea of helping your brother man... a following everyone in the communist environment must take... thus, it is not slavery.
It is as much slavery as one would could claim that capitalism is; slave to the economy, taxes, your job, the bank, and as Phish put it "Slave to the Traffic Light"...
It's just that more people are able to conform to capitalism and in a sense socialism because it doesn't seemingly "require" as much personal charity. Yet, you are still a slave, the draft or monster.com are you traders, and many things are your master.Comment
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communism is a democracy that requires a prepetually unanimous vote. or communism is an autocratic dictator with some prison space leftover.Originally posted by Japher
sheesh, this thread is still bobbing on the surface!
First, I'll say it again, morals are subjective.
Second, saying that communism promotes slavery is a bad argument to take as communism is as much a train of though as it is a form of government. This train of thought is intuned to the utopian idea of helping your brother man... a following everyone in the communist environment must take... thus, it is not slavery.
It is as much slavery as one would could claim that capitalism is; slave to the economy, taxes, your job, the bank, and as Phish put it "Slave to the Traffic Light"...
It's just that more people are able to conform to capitalism and in a sense socialism because it doesn't seemingly "require" as much personal charity. Yet, you are still a slave, the draft or monster.com are you traders, and many things are your master.Comment
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We know what you're REALLY up to -- you're plotting a communist revolution in the United States.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Which is what I am doing.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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communism is a democracy that requires a prepetually unanimous vote. or communism is an autocratic dictator with some prison space leftover.
It's all about your frame of mind... Yet taking a stance on it's morality would present for a very vague argument. It would be like a jew and a catholic arguing about which knife to cut the pork with.
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