A question for the Great Sages of Apolyton

[Urban Ranger]

The thing is, does this shed some light to Yvonne's inner self? I mean, why she was wearing this pendant?


Japher,

You think it's me, eh?

Anyway, no, they met in person for the first time in 1997, but they knew each other before that.


Ben,

She didn't, maybe because he gave her the pendant during a party her fans put together for her. Of course, he put a letter in the same paper bag (one of those expensive, pretty looking ones) should have clued her in.

[Ben Kenobi]

Of course, he put a letter in the same paper bag (one of those expensive, pretty looking ones) should have clued her in.

That's a warning sign, and not a good one. Does she expect this sort of thing on a regular basis?

[Japher]

The thing is, does this shed some light to Yvonne's inner self? I mean, why she was wearing this pendant?

What does that have to do about anything?

My point is that it is your freind that needs to work HIS feelings and stop wondering what it is SHE is feeling.

Yeah, it would be a whole lot easier to get layed in this life we could always interpret what others are feeling, but we can't. In some sense there is no use trying because in the end the only person who is hurt is the person who is too busy trying to figure someone else out that they never bothered to figure themselves out.

If Howard wants to be a coward and deny himself his right to feel than fine, don't tell her. Yet, if he wants to be happy, whether that means with her or without her, then he needs to look at himself as hard as he is looking at her...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
That's a warning sign, and not a good one. Does she expect this sort of thing on a regular basis?

She doesn't wear lots of jewelry, carry fancy handbags, etc. from what I seen of her in public. Besides, this Vincent is not a rich bloke.

What I was saying? Yeah, she's not after money if that's what you are asking.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Hey! Spot the "Cuddle b*tch".

[Drake Tungsten]

So, are these people Chinese or not? The whole naming system is confusing me.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, I still don't understand if he send the pendant along with the letter and wore his gift, why she did not ask him why he gave her the gift?

That makes no sense to me.

[Urban Ranger]

Ben,

Remember that was in 1997? So perhaps she knew that he has a thing for her already, which accumulated into the probing question with regards to Valentine's Day that he stupidly didn't answer? Perhaps up till then he was #1 on her list, until his inaction led her to believe that he was blowing her off? I don't know, it's all very complicated.

The real question is whether her wearing of the pendant signifies anything or not.

[Ben Kenobi]

So perhaps she knew that he has a thing for her already,

That seems the most likely explanation Question is, did she have a thing for him?

I think your friend is right, that if she wore his pendant, when he was around, then that's a pretty big signal that she likes the gift, and a way of saying thank you.

Perhaps up till then he was #1 on her list, until his inaction led her to believe that he was blowing her off?

First off, girls don't like to ask guys unless they are pretty sure that they are going to get a yes. So if she asked him for the Valentine's date, and him not responding, it would really have thrown her for a loop.

But 4 years is a long time. A lot can happen to change people's feelings.

[TCO]

Re: A question for the Great Sages of Apolyton

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
A friend of mine posted this problem to me. After dwelling on it for quite some time, I am unable to come up with a satisfatory answer, so now I seek enlightenment from the Sages of Apolyton. [On preview, this post is rather long, but please read it through. Thanks]


The situation is as follows:

Sometime in 1997, my friend Howard met a penpal Yvonne the first time in person. Yvonne was an aspiring actress, Howard was an up and coming professional. Even though they both had been living in the same city, they only communicated by mail before then. Being penpals, they already had a basic understanding of one another.

Due to their own hectic schedules, Howard and Yvonne didn't to meet often in person, but they kept in contact, again, mostly by letters. Knowing that Yvonne is an avid reader, Howard had sent several small gifts of books he handpicked to her.

Fast forward to the end of 1998. During a semi-public function that took place late at night, Howard reported that Yvonne displayed unusual signs of affection towards him. According to Howard, these nonverbal signs include holding hands (sort of) and touching. Howard went up to shake her hand for one reason or another (I forgot), which ended up to be longer than a normal handshake, with her not withdrawing her hand afterwards, so it was like Howard holding her hand for a very long time (I reckon this is subjective time ). While they were "holding" hands, Yvonne touched the outside of Howard's upper arm (the one connected to the free hand) with her free hand, somewhere between a light tap and a firm grip. I am inclined to think it's much closer to the former. Later on that night, when they had their photo taken, Yvonne moved closer to Howard, so her shoulder and upper arm was pressing (lightly?) against his upper arm. Howard said he judged these actions to be unusual because Yvonne (to his knowledge) is a bit shy and withdrawn and not into physical touches.

Try not to let a good ting slip away, yet not being sure of her intentions, he posted the question to some mutual acquaintance. Unfortunately for Howard, they told him not to make much out of it. If he had asked me, I'd tell him to go for the gusto. But then, I didn't know him at the time

Sometime during January 1999, when Howard was taling to an assistant of Yvonne's agent, he suddenly asked Howard if he would be available at Valentine's Day. It was a startling question and Howard was caught unprepared. Before Howard was able to formulate an answer, the assistant got sidetracked. Eventually, Howard was unable to give him the answer.

Things took a nosedive for Howard soon afterwards when he found out that Yvonne, who became his heart's desire, had a date with somebody else (call him Vincent) on Valentine's Day and started dating him shortly after.

Fast forward to 2003. While Howard has been continuously blaming a bunch of people for him losing out on his Big Chance, he is still getting along well with Yvonne. Through one way or another he found out that she still hates Stephen, her former boyfriend, who apparently ripped her heart to pieces during their relationship. So now Howard is debating whether to couch Yvonne on ways to put Stephen out of her mind. On one hand, he would love to see her to finally rid her of the anguish and pain stemming from her prior relationship. On the other hand, Howard feels that he's so much better than Vincent, and that he is the one person who can bring Yvonne true happiness (yes, yes, I know...). This wound in her psyche, he reckons, is keeping her to completely fall into the laps of Vincent. In other words, this wound keeps the door open for Howard. Yes, that's what he thinks, don't ask me.

The question is then, what should he do? Should him help her to forget the past, thus giving up whatever slim chance he still may have? Or should he let things be, cringing at the thoughts of Yvonne suffering from being gnawed from inside, thus being rather immoral, but will be better (according to him) in the long run?

So, what do you think, o Great Sages of Apolyton? [I hate him badgering me with the question. ]

Are you a DL of Speer? Obviously he should make a play for her and straight up ask for a date. Duh. If she says no, just date around and try to get her jealous. If that doesn't work, just date around and forget her. this guy has no balls.

BTW, is this "guy", you?

[TCO]

I just responded to the first post, but I see everyone was thinking what I thought...no that I read down. Even to the Speer part.

Will keep reading and see if anyone accused UW of being the dude.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Howard doesn't just want sex with Yvonne, he wants her heart.

Then he should show some balls and ask her out. "Howard" is a wimp.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by TCO
Will keep reading and see if anyone accused UW of being the dude.

Japher beat you to it

[TCO]

Originally posted by Japher
Yup.

Urban Ranger, I mean Howard, better tell her that he loves her...

We do think alike.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Japher beat you to it

So you are Howard? Come on. Grow a nut. Show some self-respect. Woman will respect you more for it as well.