A question for the Great Sages of Apolyton

[Drake Tungsten]

This Howard guy needs to take a page out of the gay playbook and ditch love in favor of lust. Hit that ****.

[notyoueither]

Howard should do what needs doing, and that is helping someone he cares about.

If things work out for him afterward, he will be doubly blessed.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
F UCK NO

The LAST person you want to be is the guy who gets his shoulder cried on

Amen, brother man.

Been there, done that.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
1) People that stick around for abusive relationships for any length of time are obviously insane to begin with

The ex-arse Stephen wasn't an abuser, he was a cheater. Yvonne dated him for 3 years or so, and Stephen was having a string of outside girlfriends and affairs.

In the end, she couldn't take it anymore.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Azazel
Say, how old is the guy now? His incompetence is staggering.

Howard? In his early 30's.

I wouldn't say he's incompetent, he's an excellent doctor. Of course, going through med school means he didn't have much time for dating.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And I don't think the girl is a trainwreck... I think Howard just messed it all up. I mean she was dropping the hints, asking about Valentine's Day and he missed the train.

I know. He has been beating up himself and his "advisors" [] since then.

[Az]

You can easily see that I wasn't talking about his professional skills.

It's quite a shame, really.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Well for me personally hit it just means the act of hitting it

Howard doesn't just want sex with Yvonne, he wants her heart. Failing that, her friendship.

He could have loads of sex if he wants to. He's one of those specialist doctors. Women line up at his office and his home.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Azazel
You can easily see that I wasn't talking about his professional skills.

I know.

I'd say everybody has his weaknesses. It's just that he's particularly weak at this. ::sigh::

[Dinner]

He needs to bite the bullet and speak his mind. He should ask her to go on a fancy date with him during which he should tell her how he feels, that he's felt this way about her for years, that he really hopes they could be more then friends, etc...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Nah he didn't miss the train unless she gets married

That's what Howard is thinking.

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Also for him to try and date this chick sounds shady and disrespectful towards Vincent.

Vincent is not one of our friends, Howard is just worried about the woman. At least he is not using any dirty tricks and has been above board so far (AFAIK, anyway).

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Oerdin
He needs to bight the bullet and speak his mind. He should ask her to go on a fancy date with him during which he should tell her how he feels, that he's felt this way about her for years, that he really hopes they could be more then friends, etc...

Him?

If he had the guts, he would have acted soon after Yvonne started dating this other guy, just to keep himself "in play," so to speak.

[CerberusIV]

Scenario 1 - Yvonne really still wants Howard and is just marking time with Vincent. So Howard needs to step up to the plate. Most women (who are worth knowing) will respond to a guy who takes the initiative and is honest. Howard should come clean that he wants to be much more than friends, not in a soft way but clear and straightforward, but that he doesn't feel he can do so - and by implication help Yvonne - whilst Vincent is around. Yvonne will either get rid of Vincent and Howard is in or she won't and Howard should move on.

Scenario 2 - Yvonne is trouble. Howard should still do the same thing but Yvonne won't deal with Vincent or will otherwise mess around and it will be clear that Howard should look elsewhere.

Howard is a loser who either stops being a loser NOW or will be a loser until the end of his days.

[Urban Ranger]

For all his faults, calling Howard a loser is a bit over the top don't you think? So he was indecisive the first time around and now wouldn't let go, but don't we all have our own hang-ups?

[Ben Kenobi]

He needs to bight the bullet and speak his mind. He should ask her to go on a fancy date with him during which he should tell her how he feels, that he's felt this way about her for years, that he really hopes they could be more then friends, etc...

Agreed. Four years is a long time to be thinking of a missed Valentines Day. He's been bitten bad. At least this way, if worst comes to worst, he will get some closure.

Plenty of chance to gain, and even if he loses he wins.