Love Won Out

[Q Classic]

[edit]

[MrFun]

Are you trying real hard to be funny?

[Q Classic]

no.









i'm not trying at all.

[Imran Siddiqui]

also the fact that there are animal homosexuals, when it doesn't make sense from anything obviously environmental or social suggests that it is something hormonal and/or genetic that is easily triggered

I'd much more likely characterize them as animal BI-sexuals. They tend to have sex to reproduce later in life.

you will realize that many people who have not divorced yet, stay married for all the wrong reasons in spite of the serious, unresolved problems -- one of which, is their sex life.

You're not getting it! Why would you GET married in the first place to a gay that really isn't into you? I mean, staying in a long term marriage is understandable (you don't want to throw all those years away), but why would you let it get to that point if you partner just doesn't seem to really care about you physically?

wouldn't it still be difficult for a female prostitute to "take it" from a client that she finds unattractive?

Open your legs and let it happen. Much easier for a woman to have sex with someone unattractive than a man, because the man has to sexually turned on to have sex (as long as he is not the 'bottom' during homosexual sex), while a woman doesn't.

[Ben Kenobi]

didn't the most vocal case of "homosexual rehabilitation" in the us admit to have had homosexual relations after his supposed "cure"?

What 'cure?'

You still have to work at it, and people do slip back into old familiar patterns. Just because one person slips, does not even mean that the whole process has finished, let alone render the process meaningless for others.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

You're not getting it! Why would you GET married in the first place to a gay that really isn't into you? I mean, staying in a long term marriage is understandable (you don't want to throw all those years away), but why would you let it get to that point if you partner just doesn't seem to really care about you physically?


Open your legs and let it happen. Much easier for a woman to have sex with someone unattractive than a man, because the man has to sexually turned on to have sex (as long as he is not the 'bottom' during homosexual sex), while a woman doesn't.

They usually GET married before they come out to themselves (realizing they're gay).



And just because it's physically easier for a woman to have sex with a troll, does not mean the woman is going to enjoy it.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by MrFun
Actually Lincoln -- I doubt there are any closeted heterosexuals, since social norms and conventions obviously embrace heterosexuality.

I used to work in a prison. There were quite a few "conversions" there. The norms there were not the same as they are out here. I also worked with parolees after they were released from prison. Some changed back and forth depending on the influence or temptation. Maybe they were bisexual or maybe they were deprived so they tried something new. There certainly is no easy answer. We cannot say that no one changes. Some are more set in a particular orientation than others.

[MrFun]

Closeted heterosexuals, huh?


Maybe there's even intelligent life on Mars.

[Lincoln]

That would be refreshing. Maybe they would listen to reason.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Lincoln
That would be refreshing. Maybe they would listen to reason.

So basically, you're saying that the increased sexual activity in prisons between men creates an unusual social norm, where heterosexuals are hated?

[Lincoln]

Not really. But there may be in certain quarters in the prison certain people who will do you harm if you do not submit to their idea of a good time. Some learn to enjoy the alternate lifestyle. Alternate, that is to the one they lived before they went to prison. It is really quite confusing but I remember a few people who liked to play both fields.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I have talked with many homosexual men who are older than me, who have been married and divorced, or are still married.

Guess what all of those guys I talked with said in one form or another . . .

they were gay before they ever married.

Of course that is what they say now .

If they were truely gay for the entirety of their lives, they sure were sexually attracted to the other gender too damn much .

Or possibly, they were brought up in a community, or a religion, or a society that 'mandated' that they get married to someone of the opposite sex, regardless of their true sexual identity. I've met plenty of gay men and lesbians from the Indian sub-continent and even second and third generation British Asians who say that the pressure to conform to what is expected of them by their families and religions is so great, the choice is limited in their minds to commit suicide or marry- and live a lie.

[Drake Tungsten]

I doubt there are any closeted heterosexuals, since social norms and conventions obviously embrace heterosexuality.

I'm a closeted heterosexual.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


We are not asking for these people to model other Christians, but instead, to model Christ, building on a rock rather than on sand.

Yeah right. We ask for bread, they give us stones.

Do you think picketing the funeral of a murdered gay man is a particularly 'Christian' thing to do?

Killing a queer for Christ?

I don't believe my life, nor the lives of my friends, are lives built on sand. But I believe that trying to get us to conform to an outmoded incorrect view of sexuality is attempting to fetter us with ropes of sand.

What you don't realize is that these people (and you if you do it too) are encouraging hate- you are encouraging gay men and lesbians to hate themselves on a fundamental defining level of their lives. If you really believed in the concept of 'caritas', then you would love us for who we are- and believe me, I do not see my sexuality and all that it entails as being like politics, or spicy food, or reading matter or fashion- it isn't something I pick up, or prefer, or anything else that I can change. I could deny it (as indeed I did,and so do many other Catholics), hide it, wish it would disappear, but ultimately I realized that the feelings I had had since I first could have sexual feelings, were genuine, and were not about to be changed by wishful thinking- or prayer.

[Ben Kenobi]

molly bloom:

Do you think picketing the funeral of a murdered gay man is a particularly 'Christian' thing to do?

No.

Killing a queer for Christ?

No, neither are Christian, and I challenge you to find an example of where I have called for Christians to kill homosexuals.

I don't believe my life, nor the lives of my friends, are lives built on sand. But I believe that trying to get us to conform to an outmoded incorrect view of sexuality is attempting to fetter us with ropes of sand.

I believe that you do not understand the analogy. The passage:

Matthew 7:24-7

"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.

But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."


Everyone who trusts in themselves, rather than God has built their house on sand. It is by no means limited to homosexuals. Besides, your analogy with ropes of sand is poor.

What you don't realize is that these people (and you if you do it too) are encouraging hate- you are encouraging gay men and lesbians to hate themselves on a fundamental defining level of their lives.

In that sense, I am guilty for making everyone hate themselves to some degree. For have we not all sinned? Do not in charging me with the lesser offense, avoid the greater. My question is this, what reason do any of us have to be proud?

If you really believed in the concept of 'caritas', then you would love us for who we are-

What father, who loves his son, fails to correct him when he strays? Not all correction comes from hate, but some comes out of love.