Love Won Out

[Imran Siddiqui]

I have talked with many homosexual men who are older than me, who have been married and divorced, or are still married.

Guess what all of those guys I talked with said in one form or another . . .

they were gay before they ever married.

Of course that is what they say now .

If they were truely gay for the entirety of their lives, they sure were sexually attracted to the other gender too damn much .

[MrFun]

I can't even debate this with you guys, until you understand how societal norms and conventions can pressure people into conforming.

Gays who were adults before the 1970's were conforming to societal norms and conventions, since gays were not nearly as liberated as they are now.

[Jaguar]

Would you maintain that a person, at birth, gets one of three traits- either heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Gays who were adults before the 1970's were conforming to societal norms and conventions, since gays were not nearly as liberated as they are now.

If they had kids they obviously were somewhat sexually attracted to women, don't you think? Perhaps they were 'conforming', but if homosexuality IS genetic, getting up for sex with someone of an opposite gender would be very difficult, would it not?

[MrFun]

I no longer believe in the genetic theory with 100% certainty.

But I do believe that no matter how sexual orientation develops, it does not develop from a choice.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Gays who were adults before the 1970's were conforming to societal norms and conventions, since gays were not nearly as liberated as they are now.

If they had kids they obviously were somewhat sexually attracted to women, don't you think? Perhaps they were 'conforming', but if homosexuality IS genetic, getting up for sex with someone of an opposite gender would be very difficult, would it not?

If you have not come out to yourself while still married, you continue to sleep with your spouse, but for some reason that you are not aware of yet, you are not attracted to him/her.

Yet, as a man, you can still stick your manhood in and out just to get your wife to stop whining about how she feels deprived.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
Would you maintain that a person, at birth, gets one of three traits- either heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual?

I think he would. I'd disagree. I think all people are born with all orientations (homo and hetero sexuality). We end up one place or the other on the scale. A part of me does not think that homosexuals do not have ANY hetero in them, because that's the biological need, to reproduce. Every 'gay' animal that you hear of will have sex with opposite genders because of the biological hardwiring to continue the species.

Of course, that also means that all heterosexuals have at least some homosexuality in them. It may be very small or very large. It depends.

[MrFun]

Read my above post Imran -- I no longer believe in the genetic theory.

[Imran Siddiqui]

If you have not come out to yourself while still married, you continue to sleep with your spouse, but for some reason that you are not aware of yet, you are not attracted to him/her.

Yet, as a man, you can still stick your manhood in and out just to get your wife to stop whining about how she feels deprived.

Come on! Getting it up when you aren't attracted to someone in the slightest? Perhaps if you close your eyes and think of the Village people while she is going down on you... but then why did she marry you in the first place? You had to be attracted to her somewhat, or else that lack of interest would have caused the woman to walk away.

[Drake Tungsten]

Perhaps if you close your eyes and think of the Village people while she is going down on you...

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

If you have not come out to yourself while still married, you continue to sleep with your spouse, but for some reason that you are not aware of yet, you are not attracted to him/her.

Yet, as a man, you can still stick your manhood in and out just to get your wife to stop whining about how she feels deprived.

Come on! Getting it up when you aren't attracted to someone in the slightest? Perhaps if you close your eyes and think of the Village people while she is going down on you... but then why did she marry you in the first place? You had to be attracted to her somewhat, or else that lack of interest would have caused the woman to walk away.

You can have sex with someone you're not really attracted to.

It's not something you enjoy doing, and you see it as a chore, to get it over with, so to speak.

How do you think prostitutes make a living? Not very many of their clients are attractive, are they??

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by MrFun
I no longer believe in the genetic theory with 100% certainty.

But I do believe that no matter how sexual orientation develops, it does not develop from a choice.

Once someone develops into one of the three molds, can they develop into a different one? Or is there an age where the person reaches a "point of no return?" eg most people seem to settle into one sexuality by the age of 35.


Then that begs the question- what would happen if we stuck MrFun on an island from birth, and the island only contained women? Would he be attracted to them?

If he was, what would happen if then we brought him into the real world at the age of 40. Would he immediately take to men?

[Imran Siddiqui]

You can have sex with someone you're not really attracted to.

It's not something you enjoy doing, and you see it as a chore, to get it over with, so to speak.

If you just have sex or make out just to 'get it over with', then why did the woman just not dump you when she realized you didn't care and that it took you a long time to get hard when you wanted to play? That's absurd.

How do you think prostitutes make a living? Not very many of their clients are attractive, are they??

Prostitutes have to 'get it up'? There aren't many male prostitutes at all you know?

[MrFun]

It's 11:30 PM -- I have work tomorrow morning.


We shall resume this tomorrow, I'm sure.

[Jaguar]

Good night.