Love Won Out

[Ben Kenobi]

Being concerned with motes in other people's eyes, whilst being unconcerned with great oaken beams in their own.

Are their own lives really so good, so perfect, that they can spend time 'redeeming' others?

molly bloom:

You misunderstand. We cannot redeem people because we are all sinful people. Only Christ can redeem people. All we can do is to call people to the need to repent.

We are not asking for these people to model other Christians, but instead, to model Christ, building on a rock rather than on sand.

[Dinner]

Dr. Drew & Adam from Love Line, Dr. Laura, & Dr. Ruth have all said in their experience most gays tend to be "made" and not born. That means most of the gays they talked to tend to have a formative experience where their wires got crossed and they are not born being gay. I don't know if these people are right but they do have decades of experience in the business.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior

You think that people think they're hot?

wtf? those are all hot. damn eunich.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
I have the same end opinion on most gay-related issues as you. I just think that a lot of your reasoning is faulty.

that is because they were denying their nature

there are people who are straight, but think they are homosexual for a while and engage in homosexual relationships (this is far more prevalent among women actually)

there are also people who are in denial about their gayness and try to be straight but find it ultimately frutile

these are actually arguments that it is highly internal (and likely partially genitic)

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

also the fact that there are animal homosexuals, when it doesn't make sense from anything obviously environmental or social suggests that it is something hormonal and/or genetic that is easily triggered

Jon Miller

[Drake Tungsten]

there are people who are straight, but think they are homosexual for a while and engage in homosexual relationships (this is far more prevalent among women actually)

Thank god for small favors.


edit: Emphasis added to quote.

[Jon Miller]

I don't view it as healthy just like I don't view gay people being in denial about their homosexuality as being healthy

Jon Miller

[Dinner]

How can two hot girls going at it not be healthy?

[Drake Tungsten]

How can two hot girls going at it not be healthy?

Well, in certain cases it may spur activities that could result in blindness.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

If you just have sex or make out just to 'get it over with', then why did the woman just not dump you when she realized you didn't care and that it took you a long time to get hard when you wanted to play? That's absurd.


Prostitutes have to 'get it up'? There aren't many male prostitutes at all you know?

One, if you know how the real world works, you will realize that many people who have not divorced yet, stay married for all the wrong reasons in spite of the serious, unresolved problems -- one of which, is their sex life.

Secondly, yes, there are many more female prostitutes than male prostitutes, but wouldn't it still be difficult for a female prostitute to "take it" from a client that she finds unattractive? Yet she will endure it like a chore, in order to make money.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior

Once someone develops into one of the three molds, can they develop into a different one? Or is there an age where the person reaches a "point of no return?" eg most people seem to settle into one sexuality by the age of 35.


Then that begs the question- what would happen if we stuck MrFun on an island from birth, and the island only contained women? Would he be attracted to them?

If he was, what would happen if then we brought him into the real world at the age of 40. Would he immediately take to men?

Sexual orientation is more complicated than that -- you don't start developing it at one specific age or age range.


Secondly, let's put me in a more real, though still hypothetical situation -- if you were to lock me in a woman's locker room with many attractive women in there with me, I would not be inclined in the slightest to have anything to do with them.

[Lincoln]

That's the same way I would feel if I was locked in a room with Hillary Clinton.

[Q Classic]

didn't the most vocal case of "homosexual rehabilitation" in the us admit to have had homosexual relations after his supposed "cure"?

[Lincoln]

Yes, I think he did. Of course some confirmed gays backslide as well.

[MrFun]

Actually Lincoln -- I doubt there are any closeted heterosexuals, since social norms and conventions obviously embrace heterosexuality.