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    I call your attention to the bold type at the bottom of this excerpt from the article below. Isn't it interesting where this spurious idea of special rights for so called protected groups leads. This guy is straight from Orwelville.

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    By Art Moore
    © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

    As some U.S. Supreme Court justices look abroad for guidance on cases related to homosexuality, Canada is set to vote on a bill opponents say would criminalize public expression against homosexual behavior.

    Introduced by self-described "gay" House of Commons member Svend Robinson, bill C-250 would add sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and hate-crimes legislation.


    As WorldNetDaily reported, opponents fear if the bill becomes law, the Bible will be deemed "hate literature" under the criminal code in certain instances, as evidenced by the case of a Saskatchewan man fined by a provincial human-rights tribunal for taking out a newspaper ad with Scripture references to verses about homosexuality.

    The Parliament is scheduled to debate the bill today and likely will call a vote within the next few days. The legislation has the support of every provincial and territorial attorney-general in Canada.

    The debate comes amid a battle over a government bill that would establish same-sex marriage. Yesterday, Parliament narrowly defeated a nonbinding motion reaffirming the heterosexual-only definition of marriage. The close margin in the Liberal Party-dominated House of Commons, 137-132, raised questions about whether the government bill would pass, especially if an election is called before it is brought to a vote.

    Brian Rushfeldt, executive director of the Canada Family Action Coalition, says, ironically, his group's opposition to the homosexual marriage bill could be construed as a punishable offense under Robinson's legislation.

    "Canadians who are speaking out against the redefinition of marriage are already being accused of 'hate' speech by homosexual activists," Rushfeldt said. "When C-250 is passed into law later this fall, the activists will begin to insist on prosecution to silence their critics with criminal sanctions."

    He said many people are beginning to consider its potential implications.

    "If my son went to school and said homosexuality is not a healthy lifestyle, let alone a perversion or a sin, and they asked where did you hear that, there is the possibility I could be held liable," Rushfeldt said.

    Robinson has accused Christian lobby groups of "fearmongering."

    "What this bill is all about is ensuring that a group of people who are targeted more than another group for violent hate crimes, receives equal protection to those groups already covered by hate propaganda legislation," he said, according to the Winnipeg Sun newspaper. . .
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    Yes, we should not offend people with opposing views
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    Only if it is offensive to certain groups
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  • #2
    Just because you think you're right doesn't mean it's not hate speech. The Nazis thought they were right. White supremicists thought they were right. And heterosexists think they are right. But they're all bigots.
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    • #3
      WorldNetDaily reported
      There's the first problem.

      Second, until I see the actual text of the legislation, I don't think I can comment either way.
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      • #4
        We had this debate a while ago on Apolyton, over bill C-250 here in Canada.

        General consensus was that all hate crimes ought to be thrown out. We have laws enough to prosecute those who assault minorities, without needing to make further distinctions.

        You are right, that churches are not adequately protected if this bill passes, as an extension of our current criminal code.
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        • #5
          The topic of the thread Che and Boris is the last paragraph. Do you find it rather Orwellian or not?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lincoln
            The topic of the thread Che and Boris is the last paragraph. Do you find it rather Orwellian or not?


            No, I don't. You are misreading the badly used pronouns.

            Actual text:
            "What this bill is all about is ensuring that a group of people who are targeted more than another group for violent hate crimes, receives equal protection to those groups already covered by hate propaganda legislation," he said, according to the Winnipeg Sun newspaper. . .


            What you are reading:
            "What this bill is all about is ensuring that a group of people who are targeted more than another [covered by existing legislation] group for violent hate crimes, receives equal protection to those groups already covered by hate propaganda legislation," he said, according to the Winnipeg Sun newspaper. . .


            What it says:
            "What this bill is all about is ensuring that a group of people who are targeted more than another [uncovered] group for violent hate crimes, receives equal protection to those groups already covered by hate propaganda legislation," he said, according to the Winnipeg Sun newspaper. . .
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            • #7
              Well St Leo I have read your post about three times but I still do not understand your point. Are there groups in Canada that enjoy special protection? Is this new bill an attempt to add another group to that special class?

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              • #8
                Are there groups in Canada that enjoy special protection? Is this new bill an attempt to add another group to that special class?
                Yes. St. Leo wants to make the argument that because some groups recieve special protection, so should homosexuals.

                This amendment to the hate propaganda sections of the Criminal Code would expand the current definition of protected groups that now include "colour, race, religion or ethnic origin" to also include "sexual orientation" or homosexuality.
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                • #9
                  Lincoln: groups that aren't targets of hate crimes don't need hate crime protection. Those that are do. I'm not quite sure where the question lies...
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                  • #10
                    The question is: Are some groups more equal than others? How does one get to be more equal?

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                    • #11
                      All that said, I don't believe in banning hate speech or hate crimes. I do think that it should be considered a determining factor in sentencing and I think that overt racists and sexists should be able to be fired if they make other employees unable to do their jobs effectively.
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lincoln
                        The question is: Are some groups more equal than others? How does one get to be more equal?
                        If you are born straight, white, and male, you are more equal than others. If you chose to be Protestant, that's a bonus.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #13
                          It doesn't cover expressions of religious doctrine according to the MP who proposed it, Svend Robinson (a gay man himself and a bit of a gonad TTTT).

                          Religious speech is protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. No one is going to stop Obi-Wan from expressing his religious views on homosexuality - he just can't do a Fred Phelps that's all.

                          This isn't a big deal anyway as no sane law refuses to set limits to what can be said in certain contexts. What you aren't allowed to do according to this bill is use language to terrorize people.

                          Having said that there are going to be some pathetic persecution maniacs who will try to take everything that smacks of the merest offence to court. Fortunately the judiciary aren't that stupid.

                          Hey Boris, why don't you move up here where you will be treated like a human being.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lincoln
                            The question is: Are some groups more equal than others? How does one get to be more equal?
                            Get the **** beat out of you or get your ass lynched would probably be one start, though I don't favor hate crimes legislation.
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                            • #15
                              Fortunately, or not, expressing hateful thoughts against an identifiable group can result in a criminal conviction in Canada.

                              Extending the indentified groups from women, Hebrews, and visible minorties to include homosexuals does not make Canada any more Orwellian than we have been for the past 10 or more years.

                              In practice, it is only extreme cases that are prosecuted. There was a teacher who instructed holocaust denial in high school class rooms, and a few others who have been prosecuted.

                              Hate motivated crimes are also taken into account during sentencing, IIRC.
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