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  • Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
    Bush wanted to go in with all guns blazing but Blair knew we needed UN support or else it would be a HUGE political failure.
    The only reason this is a political failure is because there's always a large handful of douchebags in society, and self humiliated former powers itching to make someone else look bad with whatever they can.

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    • Originally posted by yaroslav
      Sorry for the question, but it is 'Tonto' a Native America Name? (As I though after reading the joke), because it means 'fool' in Spanish.
      "Tonto" isn't a real Amerindian name. It's the name that was given to the fictional Lone Ranger's NA sidekick. The creators apparently wanted to have some subtle fun with the more perceptive members of the television audience while being blatantly racist at the same time! What fun!
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        • Originally posted by Zylka


          The only reason this is a political failure is because there's always a large handful of douchebags in society, and self humiliated former powers itching to make someone else look bad with whatever they can.
          But it's still a political failure
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          • So glad you can chortle so contentedly over the future of the Iraqi people being so bleak, Tass. I knew you had it in you.
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            • Hey you little Civ kid. we went to the UN. Get over it. WE spent several months on it. Deal with it. We did it.

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              • Originally posted by TCO
                Hey you little Civ kid.
                I'm not quite sure why you continue calling me this. Ignoring the fact that it's a personal attack I hardly ever play Civ.

                we went to the UN.
                Yes.

                Get over it.
                This implies that I'm angry that we went ot the UN.

                WE spent several months on it.
                And yet we failed.

                Deal with it.
                I'm sure I'll be able to cope

                We did it.


                So glad you can chortle so contentedly over the future of the Iraqi people being so bleak, Tass. I knew you had it in you.
                Stop this.

                And in response to the personal attack: I'm happy over the US political failure. I'm certainly not happy that the Iraqis are caught in the middle.
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                • "Tonto" isn't a real Amerindian name.


                  It's a tough decision, but I think that "Amerindian" has to be the stupidest of all the PC terms. I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone uses it when "Native American" is less offensive and "Indian" is easier to say.
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                  • Because "Indian" usually refers to a group of people who live in Asia. India, specifically

                    I prefer the term "Native American Indian".
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                    • I prefer AmerIndian. I think it is the best term for the natives of North America.
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                      • Why? It retains the semi-offensive "Indian" term, but adds the "Amer-" on to make it as akward to use in everyday conversation as "Native American". I fail to see the point in using it.
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                        • Because it is an obvious name. Indians makes it too obvious to be confused for those people that actually live IN India! AmerIndian is American Indian, but easier to say... and definetly not awkward in the slightest.
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                          • To be honest, I find American Indian easier to say than Amerindian. Maybe that's just me.
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                            • :shrug: Never found AmerIndian to be hard to say in the slightest.
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                              • I've never used it in conversation, to my knowledge. Never heard anyone else use it either. I thought it was just some liberal buzzword Mr. Fun picked up in college, until Boris used it and you admitted to an affinity for it.
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