EU full of Picky Eaters

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by Oerdin
The EU's attempts to recover these terms is no more valid then if MExico attempted to copy right the term Burrito or if Japan tried to copy right the term Sushi. They are now common words used in the English language and no one has claim upon them.

That is not the same at all. The name of the product 'Parma Ham' is saying that it comes from Parma, whereas 'sushi' is just a general description for a type of food.

I have no objection to them using the word 'ham', but they should build up their own reputation rather than trading on the reputation of others. They can sell 'Calgary Ham' or whatever.

[Atahualpa]

How can one care! Besides I think the people of e.g. canada give a rats ass if their parma comes from italy or not. The EU first should conduct a survey wether this is really something people in other countries are worried about. If 60% of the canadians react with shock to the fact that "their" parma is not of italian origin, I can support this, but I believe they simply dont care enough to make this a global issue.

Plus, I think there are more pressing matters than this.

[Atahualpa]

If they want anything they will learn to compromise.

Like in "either-you-are-with-us-..."

[DanS]

The name of the product 'Parma Ham' is saying that it comes from Parma

Parma ham can come from the states. No problem.

So there.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
That is not the same at all. The name of the product 'Parma Ham' is saying that it comes from Parma, whereas 'sushi' is just a general description for a type of food.

You don't get it do you? The local producers have been using that phrase to describe a style of preparing food not the region from which the food came from. No one believed that the "Parma ham" they bought at the local meat company was came from Parma, Italy (especially since it had a big fat label which said made in Canada on it). What they are buying is Parma style ham which was locally made and locally produced here for centuries.

The phrases have entered the common language and haven't been legally defended at any time before the last decade and the local people have been using these phrases since the beginning of colonization. It's to lat!e You are pissing in the wind. The phrase no longer means ham made in Parma it means ham cooked in the style prefered in Parma. That's it. It's just a recipe for food and nothing more.

[Rogan Josh]

I think I will start boycotting all American foods.....


....wait a minute, there are no American foods worth eating anyway!

[Chemical Ollie]

In principle, I think the new world using the old world brands is infringement, even after 150 years, because it was infringement in the first place and there were no way for the original brand owner to find out that someone else used their name on the other side of the world.

But then you can always consider the meaning of these words - are they a brand or a type of product? I bet there are over a hundred brands that have become the name of a group of similar products.

Vespa
Xerox
Palm
Walkman
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[Dinner]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
That is not the same at all. The name of the product 'Parma Ham' is saying that it comes from Parma, whereas 'sushi' is just a general description for a type of food.

I'm sorry my friend but this is simply not true. Saying someing is "Parma ham" is like saying something is "southern fried chicken". In both cases we are taking about a style of preparing food not where the food comes from. The EU is just attempting to lie so it can make more money. It is shameful.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Oerdin


The truth is things like Parma ham are no longer brands they are common names to styles of food and nothing more.

This is the point; they are not brands, they became common names thanks to their continuous quality over time and their origin which remains the same all over the years. The problem of protecting these products made in a limited area is not new, and began to find a solution about 100 years ago when we created the concept of *appellation d'origine controlée*. You enjoy it only if your product is locally made with strictly defined products according strictly defined processes. These AOC do not belong to the government nor to the producers; they cannot be sold. Any comparison with brands is irrelevant.

You have to consider that this concept is already accepted for many products, and that we are discussing only of a few additions.

You have also to accept that the land and the climate are of the utmost importance for the quality of certain products. They have to be protected specially because they are not mass producted, and their producers could not compete, marketing wise, with industrial productions.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Japher
If I were French I would make a wine and call it Napa Valley Finest Wine, and see what happens

Check, you could be surprised ...

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Oerdin
This is another slam dunk. AB started brewing and selling it's Budweiser beer (because the founder was from Budweis when it was still part of Austria) in the 1880's and 120 years latter someone wants to sue them for the brand name. Sorry, but you are 120 years to late. Everyone with any legal sense knows you have to defend a label or the the copy right ceases to exist.

120 years of not defending it is PLENTY of time for anyone other the AB to give up their claims.

You can call your piss all you want, anyone who knows what beer is smells the difference for 100 meters anyway.

[Dinner]

When someone goes to a Chinese restaurant and orders "Mongolian Beef" Or "Szechuan Chicken" no one in there right mind honestly expects the beef to come from Mongolia or the Chicken to come from Szechuan. Instead we are talking about a recipe for cooking food. This recipe has entered the common language and we all refer to it as Mongolian Beef or Szechuan Chicken. It is the exact same thing with Champagne or with Parma ham.

The best thing I can say for the EU's trade office is that they are being money grubbing liars and hypocrates.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
I think I will start boycotting all American foods.....


....wait a minute, there are no American foods worth eating anyway!

I keep hearing Frenchmen mumble about this but all the US fast food companies keep having record years in Europe.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Oerdin

The best thing I can say for the EU's trade office is that they are being money grubbing liars and hypocrates.

There is nothing wrong in your not having enough taste to appreciate the difference between a parma ham from parma, and a parma ham for Chicago. You will even be happier with the later because it is a lot cheaper. But you can admit that some people make the difference and dont want to be misled by tags deliberately and purposely misleading. And they are purposely and deliberately misleading, otherwise why would their producers be so inclined to use misleading names?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
You can call your piss all you want, anyone who knows what beer is smells the difference for 100 meters anyway.

I always hear the same pissing, whining, and moaning from Euros but in the end the American version sales 1000 times more bottles then the Euro version.