This ought to piss off the lefties.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by elijah


The word intelligence shouldnt be interpreted in the familial sense. I do not see liberal inteligence or whatever as generic intelligence. As myself and DP said, to each, his own.



And Linus Torvalds is smarter than Bill Gates . jk



Because moral and cognetive relativism is essentially tolerance of other views. Liberalism is fundamentally based on relativism.

funny I always felt liberalism was built on guilt empathy and self indulgance. but then again, ur not much of a liberal.

[Whaleboy]

Agathon (or any other philosophy dude) vs. MtG

I'd take on MtG anytime anywhere! (as long as its not on law ). I'm sure Agathon would concur!

Does this mean you conceeded in your first post?!

Dont see why! I was stating a proposition not actuallly making an extensive case!

DP: Liberalism, or rather moral/cultural relativism is essentially harder to process in the mind than moral/cultural absolutism. Easy assumptions, easy answers.

(its disclaimer time )

[Whaleboy]

funny I always felt liberalism was built on guilt empathy and self indulgance. but then again, ur not much of a liberal.

If you're looking at the concepts behind liberalism, I'm pretty close to the ultimate liberal! . You are confused because you are associating it with socialism. I am not a socialist, I am a capitalist (to a point).

[yavoon]

Originally posted by elijah


I'd take on MtG anytime anywhere! (as long as its not on law ). I'm sure Agathon would concur!



Dont see why! I was stating a proposition not actuallly making an extensive case!

DP: Liberalism, or rather moral/cultural relativism is essentially harder to process in the mind than moral/cultural absolutism. Easy assumptions, easy answers.

(its disclaimer time )

moral relativism is the philosophical version of a copout. its not "harder to process."

[Whaleboy]

Incidentally, liberalism literally means libertarianism.

Anyways I'm off to bed, bump this thing in the morning! jk

[yavoon]

Originally posted by elijah


If you're looking at the concepts behind liberalism, I'm pretty close to the ultimate liberal! . You are confused because you are associating it with socialism. I am not a socialist, I am a capitalist (to a point).

maybe this whole european/american what a liberal is is cocking up the thread. but I don't think its possible to find a liberal in america that believes in indentured servitude.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by elijah
Incidentally, liberalism literally means libertarianism.

Anyways I'm off to bed, bump this thing in the morning! jk

yah ok u europeans must simply have inverse definitions of what a liberal is. gj mr. intellectual elite.

[Dom Pedro II]

ummm... was he using the classical European definition of liberal this entire time?

Because if so, this whole thing becomes quite complicated...

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
ummm... was he using the classical European definition of liberal this entire time?

Because if so, this whole thing becomes quite complicated...

elitist cluster****.

[Odin]

I think one must separate Conservatism and Libralism from Socialism and Capitalism. Stalin was a conservative socialist. I am a liberal socialist, David Floyd is a liberal capitalist (libertarian), Fez is a conservative capitalist. Then of couse you have the realist/idealist dicotomy.

So I am an Idealist Liberal Socialist

My philosophical musings beat MtG's by a factor of 10 and I am only 17.

[The diplomat]

Fox News is not ultra right. It just isn't the ultra-left drivel that most people have become so accustomed to seeing on the news.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'd take on MtG anytime anywhere!

And lose.... badly.

ummm... was he using the classical European definition of liberal this entire time?

He should warn us next time if that was the case.

[Odin]

Originally posted by The diplomat
Fox News is not ultra right. It just isn't the ultra-left drivel that most people have become so accustomed to seeing on the news.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I'm still trying to figure out how we got an Australian billioniare telling everyone how to be a patriotic American.

It's very simple- he's an American now. He had to become American in order (perhaps given his media outlets' products, that should be in 'ordure') to keep his hands on newspapers AND television stations.

His own mother finds his newspapers distasteful.

Oh and Imran- 'liberal masses'- that's very funny.

And yavoon, yes Eurocommies or Brit Commies do have a different definition of liberal- perhaps because there is a 'Liberal Party' in Great Britain, and Great Britain is the home of Liberalism.

http://classweb.uchicago.edu/Civilization/Western/industrial2.htm

It has its origins in the non-conformist groupings of the 17th Century, religio-political movements such as the Levellers, but is best known in its more conformist 19th Century incarnation- the party of William Gladstone, seen as the living embodiment of liberal principles.

[GePap]

What a weird detour: though we can only laugh at Faux News so many times.

We get into different definitons of liberals, into definitions of inteligence, so forth and so on.

I guess I am one of the hypocrites under Elijah's definitions.