This ought to piss off the lefties.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by elijah


Expanding their minds beyond the pathetic little rat race worlds of the prolitariat and the various other cogs in that pointless machine that keeps on running, whose only product seems to be more carbon dioxide and methane heading into the air!



Lets just say I wasn't always the enlightened liberal. I only became so because of a hell of a lot of free time, and encouragement to think about my then views and what they were based on. Discussing it with various people, mostly intellectuals seems to show that it is a matter of some people being liberal as part of their inherent disposition, and others using their intelligence to come to that conclusion. Generally, when debating with others, they default to "well I love my country" and the like, or the verbal equivalent of a punch in the face, which would seem to indicate that you have reached a point in a conversation where they are incapable of understanding. I blame the TV!

I had a lot of freetime so I became liberal. why does this seem so insightful?

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by Ned
Fox had the foxiest babes. There is little doubt how they won the coverage wars.

You can say that again!

Laurie Dhue
E.D Hill
Jennifer Eccleston
Brigitte Quinn
Jane Skinner
Lis Wiehl
etc...

and my favorite, the loveliest, sweetest, sexiest, most beautiful of all,

Heather Nauert

[Dom Pedro II]

Conservatives have the intellectual and knowledge necessary to survive in the real world, liberals study and teach "philosophy" and other useless nonsense in college.

What crap...

Fundamentally, liberalism is far more intellectually and mentally demanding than conservatism

Utter crap...


Have we now degraded to the point where we're going to start trying to classify a person's intelligence and usefulness by their political orientation?

If you removed your heads from your asses you might notice that there are lots of both kind of people on both sides and that a person's political preferences in no way determines their success in life.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II


What crap...



Utter crap...


Have we now degraded to the point where we're going to start trying to classify a person's intelligence and usefulness by their political orientation?

If you removed your heads from your asses you might notice that there are lots of both kind of people on both sides and that a person's political preferences in no way determines their success in life.

what if they politically believed that no1 should work more than 10 hours a week? that would most definitely be detrimental to certain types of success

[Dom Pedro II]

There's a difference between believing it and doing it...

And there are plenty of rich people who work a lot less than 10 hours a week.

[Whaleboy]

Of course, this just reinforces the belief that the intellectual elite feel they should rule and hold the government positions, and the rest of us should just follow

In all fairness, conservative leadership is good for its comic value!

Again, if you were actually reading my posts earlier, you would see that I personally do not seek power. If I personally am to be considered a member of the intellectual elite (and I thank you, I take it as a compliment... expanding your mind is something I think is rather important.. you're really missing out!) I would much rather study and think, and leave the running of a country to people more pragmatic and capable of leadership than I. Of course, its unrelated, but the best people for the job there imo are from the intellectual elite, but do not necessarily have to be liberal, for example economists etc.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
There's a difference between believing it and doing it...

And there are plenty of rich people who work a lot less than 10 hours a week.

most rich ppl work quite a bit. but yes there does exist rich ppl who no longer work very often and there is probably some old money in europe somewhere, I hear they like old money.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Because the business men are SMART!

I'll believe it when I see it. Most businesspeople I've had the displeasure to deal with are boorish and anti-intellectual. They usually carp on about being self-made men.

They realize that they have a much better chance of being in power if they let the Christians and military wonks into their party and think they are running things.

Actually. like military types and fundies, businessmen tend to be a conservative lot in the sense that they do not like change and instability in the background conditions of society.

And I give a damn if Fox is the most watched "news" channel (try 'infotainment'). Television news in this country is all sensationalistic BS. I quit watching TV "news" alltogether long ago. There's this thing called the internet now ...

Oh, and NPR is good, as well as non-biased. Check it out.

[Whaleboy]

I had a lot of freetime so I became liberal. why does this seem so insightful?

Think about it, its really not that difficult. Incidentally have you actually given me an argument against my position that isnt ad hominem? I always take such flaws as a sign of inferior reasoning, so you might want to actually attack my argument using l o g i c atronising:.

Dip:

Have we now degraded to the point where we're going to start trying to classify a person's intelligence and usefulness by their political orientation?

Not at all, if you are goign to talk about usefulness, then the intellectually elite, at least in the immediate context are not useful. However that is flawed. To each his own, however I am showing that liberalism is harder to "do" than conservatism. As already stated, this does not affect general intelligence, maybe perhaps critical or literary ability, but I am not trying to say that liberals are a race of uber humans!

yavoon: I prefer the idea of letting people sign whatever contracts both sides find mutually acceptable, whether that is one hour or 168, its not the business of anyone else to intervene. I'm liberal in world view, not social.

[Dom Pedro II]

most rich ppl work quite a bit. but yes there does exist rich ppl who no longer work very often and there is probably some old money in europe somewhere, I hear they like old money.

I'm not saying most... just that there are plenty of them, but proportionately, they are in the minority.

And I'm not just talking about business types... there's plenty of people who through one brand of dishonesty or another have managed to get by in life very well while doing remarkably little.

"Sh*t rises to the top."

[Dom Pedro II]

To each his own, however I am showing that liberalism is harder to "do" than conservatism.

How is it harder to "do" than conservatism????

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II


I'm not saying most... just that there are plenty of them, but proportionately, they are in the minority.

And I'm not just talking about business types... there's plenty of people who through one brand of dishonesty or another have managed to get by in life very well while doing remarkably little.

"Sh*t rises to the top."

well if u r talking about fraud then we should catch them! if u r just talking about being underhanded then its just caveat emptor in the business world. a fool and his money are soon parted.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by elijah

yavoon: I prefer the idea of letting people sign whatever contracts both sides find mutually acceptable, whether that is one hour or 168, its not the business of anyone else to intervene. I'm liberal in world view, not social.

I find it very hard to believe a liberal would take this view. this is pretty hardcore libertarian. ur letting all sorts of things in, sweatshops, indentured servitude? I mean damn.

[Whaleboy]

How is it harder to "do" than conservatism????

Liberalism in terms of world and moral views relies on the assumption that your view is subjective and does not necessarily hold for other people, other cultures, other moral views, whereas conservatives rely on their views being perceived to be ultimately good, "god bless america" and all that. As such, they use the notion of ultimately, or objectively good concepts as a justification for their imposition and application. Such a view of course lends itself to patriotism, and it appeals to the idiotic in two ways. The first is of course patriotism, as most people cannot cope with expanding their "span of sympathy" as Milgram put it. Liberals by their nature require a larger span of sympathy. Similarly, liberalism encourages tolerance, which is hard for people, who prefer to wrap themselves up in the "comfort blanket" of their views, patriotism, and the like. I often hear the notion of conservatism encourages hatred of ones enemies . Fundamentally, liberalism is far more intellectually and mentally demanding than conservatism, the latter being a nice simply little package to shrink wrap and hand out like cheeseburgers to those who are incapable or unwilling to think further, and thus come to the conclusion that the assumptions upon which conservatism is based (i.e. patriotism) are essentially fallacies. Its a great shame, but most people are not willing to accept that, but c'est la vie. Theres a more in depth article on my site, if you wish you can PM me if you want more detail.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Um... elijah, I think the man that can come up with an idea that many people 'buy into' (so to speak) IS smarter and more intelligent than some elitist ivory tower type with a high IQ and philosophically inclined.

Liberalism in terms of world and moral views relies on the assumption that your view is subjective and does not necessarily hold for other people, other cultures, other moral views

I'm sure Ted Kennedy would be surpised at that assesment as well as many other liberals on this site who are not relativists.