This ought to piss off the lefties.

[Verto]

I am merely saying, if you are intelligent (you could say high IQ, or well read, philosophically inclined etc) then you are more likely to be liberal.

"merely" saying

[Whaleboy]

"merely" saying

[Imran Siddiqui]

Where?

The prime Conservatives, it can be said, are of the business class. They are the smart, money-making guys. For all you've stated, you cannot deny that Henry Ford, John Rockefeller, Bill Gates, etc., are HIGHLY intelligent people.

The prime Liberals are mostly of the university, ivory-tower class. They can be the philosopher type (though there are plenty of conservative philosophers), but are mainly into BS, and really aren't intelligent as the businessmen, even though they like to pretend they are.

Moving away from the 'prime' Conservatives... Conservatives tend to be richer, Liberals poorer. Richer people are better educated than poorer. QED. If you really want to get all 'one ideology is smarter than the other' .

[Verto]

Originally posted by elijah

Do you grasp how arrogant and unfounded your statement is?

[:) Smiley]

Faux News ain't news. It's entertainment. Why don't they just call it that?

[Dinner]

It is news; no reasonable person can deny that. It just has an ideological view point which is different from the other main networks (who also have ideological view points).

Listen to it and other sources but in the end always consider the source.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by child of Thor
you see? still hasn't sunk in.........all this really doesn't matter, we're an evolutionary dead end - gonna take everything with us when we go.....they'll be flag waving....and patriotic songs.....and then nothing.
What a waste.
We could have been so good.
But we're just too stupid, but smart enough to REALLY F**k it all up.......

how melodramatic.

[Dom Pedro II]

What I truly cannot fathom though is how the businessmen climb on board with the Republicans though... I mean, yes, a lot of it has to do with tradition... but honestly, I think its about time the people who are with the Republicans for the fiscal policy should form their own f*cking party... Leave the Christian hate-mongers and the military jugheads to their own designs... I would be the first to join a new Conservative Party.

[Imran Siddiqui]

DP: Because the business men are SMART! They realize that they have a much better chance of being in power if they let the Christians and military wonks into their party and think they are running things.

[Whaleboy]

The prime Conservatives, it can be said, are of the business class. They are the smart, money-making guys. For all you've stated, you cannot deny that Henry Ford, John Rockefeller, Bill Gates, etc., are HIGHLY intelligent people

You are confusing issues, assuming smart to be one generic thing - "you're in a high powered job, you have good grades etc, thus you are smart", simply does not hold. Nonetheless, those in literary, academic political, philosophical circles do have a high concentration of liberals. In order to analyse and choose world views, one would need to be more philosophically minded - a thinker. A smart businessman is only necessarily so in business related matters. Your argument is flawed thus. In any case, Ford, Gates etc, are hardly representative of the business community, in the sense that they are part of a tiny number of individuals.

Incidentally, IQ wise, "university classes" as you put it are highest - funny that.

In my observations, looking at liberalism and educated background, they tend to be at the richer, more educated end of the spectrum, but especially those in academic circles, whereas conservatives, in world view (if not social policy, but that is an aspect too ambiguous and irrelevant to my concerns) are from poorer backgrounds with less education.

Do you grasp how arrogant and unfounded your statement is?

When people make posts and you comment on them, its generally a good idea to read them first. In terms of arrogant, well I suppose it must seem that way to someone who cannot understand, whereas to someone that can it makes logical sense, whether one agrees or not. No need to worry, I'll summarise:

Liberalism in terms of world and moral views relies on the assumption that your view is subjective and does not necessarily hold for other people, other cultures, other moral views, whereas conservatives rely on their views being perceived to be ultimately good, "god bless america" and all that. As such, they use the notion of ultimately, or objectively good concepts as a justification for their imposition and application. Such a view of course lends itself to patriotism, and it appeals to the idiotic in two ways. The first is of course patriotism, as most people cannot cope with expanding their "span of sympathy" as Milgram put it. Liberals by their nature require a larger span of sympathy. Similarly, liberalism encourages tolerance, which is hard for people, who prefer to wrap themselves up in the "comfort blanket" of their views, patriotism, and the like. I often hear the notion of conservatism encourages hatred of ones enemies . Fundamentally, liberalism is far more intellectually and mentally demanding than conservatism, the latter being a nice simply little package to shrink wrap and hand out like cheeseburgers to those who are incapable or unwilling to think further, and thus come to the conclusion that the assumptions upon which conservatism is based (i.e. patriotism) are essentially fallacies. Its a great shame, but most people are not willing to accept that, but c'est la vie. Theres a more in depth article on my site, if you wish you can PM me if you want more detail.

[Verto]

Conservatives have the intellectual and knowledge necessary to survive in the real world, liberals study and teach "philosophy" and other useless nonsense in college.

"Fundamentally, liberalism is far more intellectually and mentally demanding than conservatism,"

Where do you come up with this stuff?

[Whaleboy]

Because the business men are SMART!

Business sense does not mean one iota in this context!

I have an IQ of 183, interest in astrophysics, philosophy, writing three books at once, but that doesn't mean I'm any good at pottery, photography or putting up a shelf!!

had to slot my IQ in somewhere, but hey I'm chuffed today

[yavoon]

those who can, do. those who can't, teach.

[Verto]

Of course, this just reinforces the belief that the intellectual elite feel they should rule and hold the government positions, and the rest of us should just follow...

[Whaleboy]

Conservatives have the intellectual and knowledge necessary to survive in the real world, liberals study and teach "philosophy" and other useless nonsense in college

Expanding their minds beyond the pathetic little rat race worlds of the prolitariat and the various other cogs in that pointless machine that keeps on running, whose only product seems to be more carbon dioxide and methane heading into the air!

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Lets just say I wasn't always the enlightened liberal. I only became so because of a hell of a lot of free time, and encouragement to think about my then views and what they were based on. Discussing it with various people, mostly intellectuals seems to show that it is a matter of some people being liberal as part of their inherent disposition, and others using their intelligence to come to that conclusion. Generally, when debating with others, they default to "well I love my country" and the like, or the verbal equivalent of a punch in the face, which would seem to indicate that you have reached a point in a conversation where they are incapable of understanding. I blame the TV!